ss1977 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Hi, I considering buying an S4 Avant to replace my ageing VW Golf GTI, and have a question regarding the boot capacity of the B6 and B7 S4 Avants. On the Autotrader website, it states that the boot capacity of the B6 with seats down is 1184 litres (which sounds small to me!) compared to 1354 for the B7. Does anyone have any idea if these figures are correct? Surely the B6 boot isn't 170-odd litres smaller than the B7 given their broadly similar external dimensions? Many thanks Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Welcome to Tyresmoke Simon AFAIK, they're the same size - the B7 was only a facelift over the B6. Having owned a B6 Avant and had a few B7 Avants as loaners, I would say they're the same size. That and I would never trust the Autotrader web site stats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss1977 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Thanks for the welcome and reply, Mook. I was also suspicious of the Autotrader stats and did some digging on rs246.com, and they too quoted a luggage capacity of 1184 litres with the seats down (figure taken from an Audi technical data sheet), which makes it only just a bit bigger than a BMW 1-series! I think I'm just gonna go down to a garage this weekend and check one out for myself. Thanks again. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Thanks for the welcome and reply, Mook.I was also suspicious of the Autotrader stats and did some digging on rs246.com, and they too quoted a luggage capacity of 1184 litres with the seats down (figure taken from an Audi technical data sheet), which makes it only just a bit bigger than a BMW 1-series! I think I'm just gonna go down to a garage this weekend and check one out for myself. Thanks again. Simon The 1-Series is a newer design, so is bound to have nigh on close to the space a previous generation of the class above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 I've had 2 B6 S4 Avants and a B7 RS4 Avant - and the boot is exactly the same size. Autotrader is talking complete boll..ks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterS Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 And having had a B6 A4 Avant and a 120d in the past I can assure you that the boot of the A4 is considerably larger than that of the 1 series with the seats up or down :D The one series boot is extremely short with the seats up, shallow (because of the RWD I assume, even though there's no spare) and with a step in it when the rear seat is folded. It's also trimmed in some pretty cheap and nasty carpet You often find that each manufacturer measures the volume in such different ways (up to the window line, up to the roof, using blocks of a given volume, theoretical calculation using measurements etc) that they are almost never comparable between manufacturers in my experience - why they can't agree a standard I don't understand :confused: (Or rather, I think there is a standard but few use it...) Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maersk Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Anyone notice the real similarity from behind of the one series and the new Hyundai? I30 I think. Spooky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss1977 Posted October 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Thanks for the replies, everyone. B6 S4 Avant it is then :D Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Make sure you test it properly if going manual, the gear ratios don't make it an easy everyday car. Tiptronic is definitely the one to get, suits the V8 well, is far better MPG wise (cause of ratios and final drive) and just suits the overall feel of the car. If I had bought my S4 avant in auto guise I would have kept it far longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Make sure you test it properly if going manual, the gear ratios don't make it an easy everyday car. Not sure what you mean there - I found the gear ratios OK with 1 minor exception: 6th is good from 20mph to max, and the engine always sounded a bit "busy" when cruising - so I think 6th is too low and should be much nearer 30mph per 1000 rpm(or maybe even over). The engine is so flexible that I very rarely used all 6 gears often using only 1st, 3rd, 6th when pulling off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I found it a complete chore, each gear needed to be longer (or is that shorter?), 1st gear is next to useless, so you are straight into 2nd, then I ended up going into 4th ignoring 3rd, and then 6th ignoring 5th. The final drive is something like 3.90 on the auto and 3.60 on the manual, if I had thought about it at the time I should have tried a rear diff from an auto. This would have meant all gears were more usuable, so 2nd would go to around 62mph instead of 50 odd, this would make a massive difference for everday driving. Also 6th could be much shorter, my problem was the car revs far too high sat at 90mph, the auto in comparison is 1000rpm less and because of that is quieter and returning nearly 6mpg more. So I think we are both agreeing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I found it a complete chore, each gear needed to be longer (or is that shorter?), 1st gear is next to useless, so you are straight into 2nd, then I ended up going into 4th ignoring 3rd, and then 6th ignoring 5th. The final drive is something like 3.90 on the auto and 3.60 on the manual, if I had thought about it at the time I should have tried a rear diff from an auto. This would have meant all gears were more usuable, so 2nd would go to around 62mph instead of 50 odd, this would make a massive difference for everday driving. Also 6th could be much shorter, my problem was the car revs far too high sat at 90mph, the auto in comparison is 1000rpm less and because of that is quieter and returning nearly 6mpg more. So I think we are both agreeing?? Sounds like it - but changing only the rear diff would be a REALLY bad idea since it would wind up the Torsen to the point of destruction, you need to change the front diff too. Remember quattros have 3 diffs - centre, front & rear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Hmm, I'm not sure you do or not, never thought about it other than there is a US company offering an LSD for the S4, and you can choose different ratios, now the Americans like the shorter one which is 4.11 cause it will knock .2 seconds of the 0-60 time, but they do one at 3.6 as well, which although would add .2 seconds it would make the car much nicer as an overall package. They don't mention changing anything else, unless you get the front diff too?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss1977 Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thanks for the insight re the manual gearing, Gizze and PetrolDave. Just out of interest, what kind of rpm does the S4 do at 70-ish in top? The car would only be used at weekends (I live in London and cycle/take public transport pretty much everywhere) and longer drives when holidaying, so only around 5000 miles a year. I've done a fair bit of research and the S4 seems to fit the bill perfectly for around £12-15k - fast, practical and understated. I'm struggling to find another car within budget that does all these thing so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 We were discussing this in another thread, here is the difference between manaual and auto gearboxes and why I think the ratios are wrong on the manual box. OK here are the ratios from the manual, hey the 3.9 was not a bad guess!! Gear Type 6 Speed Manual Lets see what speed we are changing gear at at 4000 rpm (normal driving) and 6000rpm (having fun), (these are as close as I can see them using a chart, but shgouldbe within a couple of mph). Final Drive 3.89:1 1st Gear Ratio3.67:1 20mph 30mph 2nd Gear Ratio2.05:1 40mph 55mph 3rd Gear Ratio1.46:1 50mph 78mph 4th Gear Ratio1.13:1 68mph 102mph 5th Gear Ratio0.92:1 83mph 123mph 6th Gear Ratio0.78:1 97mph 145mph Final Drive 3.6:1 1st Gear Ratio3.67:1 24mph 38mph 2nd Gear Ratio2.05:1 43mph 64mph 3rd Gear Ratio1.46:1 60mph 90mph 4th Gear Ratio1.13:1 78mph 115mph 5th Gear Ratio0.92:1 93mph 142mph And what about making 6th a little shorter, 142mph ragging it should be fine for 99% of driving, so if 6th had a .65:1 ratio instead of 0.78:1 we would get the following figures... 6th Gear Ratio0.65:1 4000rpm 130mph and at the limiter you would be doing 4800rpm. You could sat crusing at 80mph at 2300rpm and at 100mph at 2900rpm. This would see the S4 returning 29mpg at 100mph, and make it alot more useable through the gears. Just my humble opinion and I am sure Audi know far better than me! Gearboxman - ratio calculator tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFour Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 A company in the States actually offers better a 6th gear cog. The ratio is somewhere near what gizze states. Read about it on another forum. I will see if I can dig out a link. The problem there though was the cost of replacing the thing and the time required to recover thie initial outlay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFour Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Here is the link: s4 6th gear not interstate friendly - Page 4 - The Audizine Forums They are still wating for a donor to perform the mod. The parts, 5th & 6th gear are $650, labour will probably be the expensive part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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