Skr4tCH Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Well, first off all, hello. I'm new on this forum and after reading it for about 2 hours kind of got the idea that there might be some knowlagable people here who might be able to help me out. I'm attempting a cluster swap from a 2007 b7 s4 to a 2003 b4 a4. The S4 cluster has full color display and i think it can be programmed to display directions from my RNS-E. Now my question to you... can it be done? has it been done? what additional materials will i need? does anyone have a DIY for coding it? Am i going to need to recode the immobilizer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I think you'll find that the cluster and the ECU are paired which either menas they cant be swapped or theres mucho programming involved with VAGCOM. The Red DIS you have will display direction info but there are bugs with the way it works with the RNSE. Have a search in the car electronics section as theres been a few thread on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I think you'll find that the cluster and the ECU are paired which either menas they cant be swapped or theres mucho programming involved with VAGCOM. The cluster includes the immobiliser - so you need to completely repair the engine ECU, cluster and keys - which needs the 7 digit code that a dealer can't give you (it's only sent electronically to their VAS online when they do the re-pairing). So you have to get your car towed to a dealer... The Red DIS you have will display direction info but there are bugs with the way it works with the RNSE. Have a search in the car electronics section as theres been a few thread on this. The RNS-E WILL display nav instructions on the red DIS after recoding it - the only complication on the B6/B7 A4 is that there is a bug in the red DIS firmware which means that after setting an active route you have to turn the RNS-E off and immediately back on - no big deal, certainly not enough of an issue to go through the hassle of replacing the cluster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Where are you based? I have done a cluster swap on my Octavis and it's the same procedure, I might be able to help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 The cluster includes the immobiliser - so you need to completely repair the engine ECU, cluster and keys - which needs the 7 digit code that a dealer can't give you (it's only sent electronically to their VAS online when they do the re-pairing). So you have to get your car towed to a dealer... Not true PD, they HAVE to give you the code if you ask for it for a reasonable charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skr4tCH Posted January 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I'm in the states, NYC. I can try to follow all of the instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Ross-Tech: VAG-COM: Immobilizer 3 Instrument Cluster Swapping There's the instructions (I think the A4 is Immo 3 anyway), you need the PIN for both the old and new clusters.. no easy task! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Not true PD, they HAVE to give you the code if you ask for it for a reasonable charge I stand corrected... but that's what I've seen posted elsewhere (i.e the dealer doesn't see the code). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I stand corrected... but that's what I've seen posted elsewhere (i.e the dealer doesn't see the code). True, when they are doing a cluster swap with a VAS machine, but they can retrieve the code (not as part of the swap procedure) and have to give it to you if asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmtechnicians Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Hi YOU CANT GET THE 7 DIGIT PIN CODE ANY MORE !!! its true you can't get the 7 digit pin code any more from Audi the vas computer connects to the German main system and downloads the code over the internet. I use to work as a mechanic for VW and i have a mate who STILL works at an AUDI garage in West Yorkshire. I had a issue with my clocks on my 1999 A4 b5 running immo 2 I could pare up the device in vag com but when I wanted to code the transponders in it was asking for the pin code! TO DO THIS ON VAG COM you have to get the 14 digit code off the new clocks,(if immo2) the vin number of the car ,the workshop code of the dealership and the code of the VAS computer all that information will be used to get the 7 pin code. once all that information is sent to Audi in Germany they can get you the code but now that has changed and they DON’T issue the pin code’s any more. I asked him can you get me the code he said "they don’t see the code any more" and can't get it he would of got it for me if he could as well because he got my radio code for free, and other techs in the garage were saying the same thing about the code, i was booked in for one key coding at a discounted cost of £20 due me working for e-goodmanners a software company who makes the sales software for VW group. The only way is to drive the car to the audi work shop with the old clocks installed swapp out the old clocks install the new clocks, then book your car in for a key reprogram don’t say ant thing about the clocks been swapped or they might try and say customs and excise law cant permit them to work on the car because of the mileage. Get the mechanics to push the car in to the workshop (ensure you park near the work shop doors!) Once they plug in the vas they will do the rest it’s a bitch having to get audi to to it but it’s the only way you can code the keys in I personally copied over the software code from the old clocks to the new clocks with vag com before I took it to audi for the keys doing I recommend you do this as well as it pares the new clocks up with the rest of the car. Then use vag com to correct the mileage it can only be done once !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Nice post! Welcome to Tyresmoke rsmtechnicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Thanks for your post. I'm sorry to say that I disagree with you about the code retrieval, the code is yours and they are not allowed to monopolise by forcing you to have your car worked on there and as such they HAVE to give you the code if asked. They are allowed to charge you for the code retrieval but it has to be a reasonable charge. And there are lots of other ways to retrieve SKC codes if required. Were the clocks you bought new? If they weren't new then VAG-COM wouldn't be able to change the mileage. Customs and Excise law doesn't mean anything (another hyped-up bullsh*t story from Audi) as it is NOT illegal to change the mileage or have an incorrect mileage on the odometer so long as it is declared when you sell the car. The offence is to attempt to gain from changing the mileage, i.e. clocking a car and selling it on for profit. If you wanted to you could have your mileage changed to 000001 or 750000 and it doesn't make a blind bit of difference, so long as you tell the new owner when you sell it on. Welcome to TSN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Customs and Excise law doesn't mean anything (another hyped-up bullsh*t story from Audi) as it is NOT illegal to change the mileage or have an incorrect mileage on the odometer so long as it is declared when you sell the car. The offence is to attempt to gain from changing the mileage, i.e. clocking a car and selling it on for profit. If you wanted to you could have your mileage changed to 000001 or 750000 and it doesn't make a blind bit of difference, so long as you tell the new owner when you sell it on. 100% correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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