byron13 Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Strange as it may sound to everyone here, I get no pleasure in this as it just makes me sad to see a top team like MC doing this and letting down all their fans and workers. MC are going to have to be so squeaky clean from now on just to restore faith in their values of fair play now that they have effectively been caught again being more than a bit naughty. Hope we can all look past this now and just banter about the race from now on. Let the usual fun and games begin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 What a stupid thing to do, now the 'truth' (do we ever really know that in F1:rolleyes:) is out this is a terrible situation for Mclaren. I'd love to know the exact details that were discussed at the first meeting but either way this has not to F1 and certainly not Mclaren any good. People are starting to have a who cares attitude to the sport. They have no idea how its run or what happens or even how the order of finishes are decided. Look at this from an outsiders point of view when looking at the sport and you can see what they just don't get it and switch off. Do Mclaren deserve a larger punishment? Thats a tough one, the sport needs to move on quickly and not just in relation to this, the overhanging issue with Brawn and co on the diffuser issue hardly helps. After such a promising and interesting start to the year I hope the sport recovers quickly and provides the sceptical that its meant to as the pinnacle of 4wheeled motorsport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHA Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Listen to this conversation :- BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Hamilton's team radio during Australian GP The quality of that radio is pretty impressive. Granted they will have taken the feed from the base being the pit wall but its still pretty good, and much better than the TV radio we get live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Opps its getting worse .... BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | McLaren face FIA 'lying' inquiry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 bet Ron Dennis is really pleased he stayed home this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Opps its getting worse ....BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | McLaren face FIA 'lying' inquiry Looking very bad for them. This bit might take some explaining :- - On 29 March, 2009, told the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix that no instructions were given to Hamilton to allow Jarno Trulli to pass when both cars were behind the safety car, knowing this statement to be untrue. - Procured its driver, Hamilton to support and confirm this untrue statement to the stewards. - Although knowing that as a direct result of its untrue statement to the stewards, another driver and a rival team had been unfairly penalised, made no attempt to rectify the situation either by contacting the FIA or otherwise. - On 2 April, 2009, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix, (meeting in Malaysia) made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past, and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement. - On 2 April, 2009, at the second stewards' hearing, procured its driver Hamilton to continue to assert the truth of the false statement given to the stewards on 29 March, while knowing what he was saying to the stewards was not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Basically Hamilton's fecked. I really wouldn't be surprised if he's suspended for 'n' races for bringing the sport into disrepute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I might be wrong, but I suspect the FIA will opt against punishing Hamilton any further (directly) and throw the book at McLaren instead. Completely unrelated of course, but it is worth remembering that Ron Dennis was one of the people Bernie was talking about when he said, "If they're going to put a gun to my head they'd better be prepared to pull the f*cking trigger..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nordberg Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I might be wrong, but I suspect the FIA will opt against punishing Hamilton any further (directly) and throw the book at McLaren instead. I concur. Mclaren will get another big fine IMHO. I don't really see the point of penalising them financially, it's a bit of a nonsense. Regardless of how Mclaren choose to play it (and clearly Ryan has become the scapegoat), Hamilton is responsible for his own actions. He says he always follows team orders regardless. However at Hungary 2007, when he was ordered to let Alonso past in qualifying, he said the opposite and stood by it. I'm afraid my opinion of Hamilton has plummeted. There's no excuse for lying; plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Poor bugger is between a rock and a hard place. However, plain and simple is the fact that the team 'sporting director' (not very - obviously) told Hamilton what to say. What do you do? The 'compnay' have nurtured you, paid for everything, furthered you and provided you with a World Championship - it must be hard not to do as they say. Still, Ryan should know everything with McLaren NEEDS to be squeaky clean - especially with everything being recorded. That's just suicide. As can be seen from the previous years, you cannot pre-empt the punishments being metered out to any team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I concur. Mclaren will get another big fine IMHO. I don't really see the point of penalising them financially, it's a bit of a nonsense. Regardless of how Mclaren choose to play it (and clearly Ryan has become the scapegoat), Hamilton is responsible for his own actions. He says he always follows team orders regardless. However at Hungary 2007, when he was ordered to let Alonso past in qualifying, he said the opposite and stood by it. I'm afraid my opinion of Hamilton has plummeted. There's no excuse for lying; plain and simple. I'm thinking the same: you can't just use the "I was only following orders" excuse. I was hoping that in Hamilton we'd have someone with the ability of Schumacher without the win-whatever-it-takes attitude. What we're actually seeing is someone who, possibly because of his very corporate, managed up-bringing, is quite naive out of the car. I still want to see him do well, but it's going to take some time to get past this appalling error of judgment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooH Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I think everyone's respect for Hamilton has plummeted but it's quite an awkward position to be put in, from what I heard he was taken into the stewards meeting with little or no prep and was led by his team manager. It's very easy for us to sit here and say he should have stood up and told the truth but when your 'boss' is leading and you're just nodding and agreeing that can be a very difficult situation to be in. Having said that you would think that once he'd left the meeting he might of turned around to Ryan and said 'that was bollocks!' especially as he must know they record the conversations. In Byron's post point 1 (29th March) is bad but not stepping back either before the 2nd April or at either of the given opportunities is plain stupid and suicidal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Man Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) What really gets me about this whole fiasco is that Trulli`s car had run wide and all 4 wheels were off the track and Hamilton had no option but to pass....3rd place was Hamiltons....So just to be on the safe side he allows Trulli to pass and re-take 3rd position...nothing wrong with that..highly commendable in-fact....So all Mclaren had to do was tell the Stewards the truth and 3rd place would have rightfully been theirs.....I just don`t get why they would lie when they would have been given 3rd place anyway, as the rules state you are allowed to pass under yellow flags when all four wheels of the car infront leave the defined racing track....WTF were Mclaren thinking:confused::confused:....A team now disgraced....A drivers integrity destroyed....and a team members character, with 35yrs outstanding service ,now in tatters....and for what..1pt....which ultimately the Stewards would have given them anyway.....I thought Mclaren were hard done by last year....but even I think the FIA have to sanction Mclaren and Hamilton in someway.....if only for the fact that they were happy to see Toyota and Trulli in particular take a penalty.....Because at the end of the day Hamilton dropped a fellow driver in the s**t......and yes it is the same as diving to get a fellow professional sent off or booked Edited April 8, 2009 by Mr Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 No idea what the ultimate punishment is going to be but I'm sure there will be one. Will have to wait and see. Mean while things are looking even worse for them. :flush: autosport.com - F1 News: Hamilton, Ryan refused to change story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Utter muppetry. First class stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemod Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 Whiting said: "When asked very clearly, 'Did you consciously let him past, did you pull over to let him past', he [Hamilton] said, 'No'. The question was asked more than once. He was adamant that he hadn't slowed down and hadn't let Trulli past." So Hamilton lied even after they had played the radio recording.....:smashfreak: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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