maersk Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Yes I am biased............................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieg Posted July 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Cheers Dave bud for the difinitive answer maersk - I really won't be drawn in on the motorbike v daytime lights debate, I have my own feelings and I'm thinking I shall keep them personal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maersk Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 No problem, i've lost already, Maersk 0, EU 1 ............................. Hope you find what you are looking for................................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 I don't really get you DRL/bike argument. Surely if DRL's were an issue like you said then everyone would be crashing into anything fitted with them. Anything with a light on is good isn't it? wether it be a bike or a car, you can see it and avoid it. I think bikers and cyclists have other issues which cause accidents rather than DRL's. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maersk Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 That is the point. At the moment if you see a light, even subliminally, you think (or should think) bike [okay, or possibly Volvo:eek:] once everyone has lights you and your brain will aaccept the lights and take less notice and we are back to the stage we were before bikes rode with lights switched on......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 No, if I see a light I think "vehicle" whatever it is, I see it and I don't pull out on it. So it's not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Here's my take on the bikes and DRL issue. Imagine you're sitting at a side turning waiting to pull out onto a road: - when cars don't have DRLs you see the car dawdling along the road at 30mph, but notice the lights on the bike behind doing 60mph so you don't pull out. - when cars have DRLs the glare from the lights on the car dawdling along at 30mph "mask" the lights on the bike behind doing 60mph so you pull out because you think there's only a car doing 30mph, and bang! - you and the bike have an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) In that case you shouldn't be driving In countries with compulsory day time lights and there are quite a few of them now, wether they be DRL or just sidelights, are there a higher rate of motorbike fatalities because the bikes were not seen? Edited July 21, 2009 by craigyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maersk Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Craigy, nail and head. Scandinavian countries have higher incidents of biker accidents than the rest of the EU. THEIR research suggests that the scenario suggested by myself and Petrol is the culprit............................. nice to see a logical discussion.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizbit Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Not wanting to start a big bikers vs. cars argument here, but why should it matter if people can no longer distinguish between a motorbike and a car at distance anymore due to the use of DRLs? As long as the motorbike rider doesn't do anything stupid, like undertake you or weave in and out between cars as it overtakes them, then what's the issue? The way i see it, if the bike behaves itself and follows the car sensibly like any other car would, there is no extra danger to the rider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 The biker shouldn't be overtaking at a junction. it's his fault, tough sh1t. If you choose to ride a bike, you have to accept you are not as easily visible to other road users, and ride accordingly, not expect everyone else to be looking out for you. That 'think bike' stuff is all bo11ocks, it should be the other way around - bikers, 'think car, it wont hurt him as much'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maersk Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Hmmmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 There's no hmmm about it. Tipex is spot on. Cant believe comments suggesting cars having drl's is a bad thing because bikes relatively less visible. That kind of attitude leads to people dying. Regardless of whether pedestrian, car driver, lorry driver, or bike driver, accidental death not good in my book. DRL's are a good thing if its saves just one life. I'd guess it will save many pedestrian lives and mainly kids, elderly etc at that. The think bike adverts are narrow minded. It should be: "Think pedestrian, think car, think bike, think other road users........ but please, for fecks sake, just fecking think." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 All of the above comments about "provided the noker doesn't do anything silly like overatke at a junction" are dead right. But we have to deal with the realities not the ideal, and the realities are: - many bikers ride like they are indestructible. - when a car and a bike hit the bike comes off worse. - when a car and a bike hit the "authorities" and the bikers relatives will blame the car driver. So anything that reduces our visibility of a biker driving badly has to be a bad thing, since it increases the risk of an accident which we will get the blame for (even if we are faultless - yes the world isn't a fair place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizbit Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 ....which is why the bikers need to sort themselves out and stop doing stupid things, and not blame the use of DRLs for accidents, when in fact it is their bad riding that is the cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishejit Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 well I have rode bikes for years and so has many of my friends. I have had cars pull out on me and do the sorry mate didnt see you.no I wasnt riding like a loon(was this out of character for a biker), wasnt passing,no car in front but still the car drivers didnt see me. I dont think drl's will make a dot of difference as I always ride with lights on an still get missed. as for the comment "when a car and a bike hit the "authorities" and the bikers relatives will blame the car driver" I help run two bike forums and its usually the biker is guilty until proved innocent with the line "hes a biker....probably speeding" have lost three friends on bikes...all were drivers fault. one was an illegal u-turn and another was a driver cutting a blind corner and killing two of my mates. dont tar us with the "its our fault cause we all speed" brush 2008 motorcycle accident facts Statistics (data, tables and publications) "5% of motorcycles in crashes were speeding The most common factor in all accidents was failure to look properly, reported in 35% of cases But this was only attributed 15% of motorcyclists in crashes,the other 20% caused by other road users.making us among the least likely to make the error" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 You should drive around london to see how bad bikers are, many a time I've wanted to push the feckers off the road for the things they do. I'm not saying all bikers are muppets, but in my opinion it's a high percentage. I also find push bike riders and pedestrians just as annoying. Whilst it seems cars/trucks are governed by the rules of the road to a degree, everyone other person/vehicle seems to think it's a free for all around london or any city for that matter. Why are push bike riders excempt from traffic lights? why do pedestrians think it's ok walk out across the road when the man is on red etc. If I did that it would be a fine or a nasty accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micalee Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Ok, I think we have vented our views on DRL's and this thread should really concentrate on jamieg's original question - poor bloke will never ask anything again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maersk Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Don't think DRLs in LED, built into the headlight are available for a B7. Yet. You can get 'stick on' solutions to go on the lower, side intake grille bars, either side of the fog light; but they look naff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishejit Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 You should drive around london to see how bad bikers are, many a time I've wanted to push the feckers off the road for the things they do. I'm not saying all bikers are muppets, but in my opinion it's a high percentage. I also find push bike riders and pedestrians just as annoying. Whilst it seems cars/trucks are governed by the rules of the road to a degree, everyone other person/vehicle seems to think it's a free for all around london or any city for that matter. Why are push bike riders excempt from traffic lights? why do pedestrians think it's ok walk out across the road when the man is on red etc. If I did that it would be a fine or a nasty accident. yeah I cant comment on london as I dont live there, think the main problem there is like belfast and thats nutter motorcycle couriers. so anyway back on topic anyone do the led DRL mod to an A4 yet? wouldnt mind seeing the pics as sometimes adverts are doctored to make them look brighter/better than they are and I wanna replace my led strips for better looking ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishejit Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Don't think DRLs in LED, built into the headlight are available for a B7. Yet. You can get 'stick on' solutions to go on the lower, side intake grille bars, either side of the fog light; but they look naff. that would be me then:ffs: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maersk Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 What on earth were you doing when you took that picture!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishejit Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 that was with a mobile phone with no flash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maersk Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Wouldn't mind seeing a proper pic. as it does not look too bad, to be honest..................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieg Posted July 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 No they don't.The B8 design physically won't fit a B7 or a B6, so the best you can get is something like the LL-Tek units which are their "interpretation" of what Audi might have done IF they had made LED DRL headlights for the B6 and B7. micalee - cheers for the assistance but Dave responded a while ago - however interesting the thread has turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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