Turrican Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 I guess this question has been asked many times, but still can't find the answer. Looking to retro-fit sat nav in my Golf r32 mk4 and cannot see the difference between version D and G of the VW MFD. Can anyone help? Does anyone know which version came in the r32 and whether the map discs are still being updated. Ultimately i like the factory look but is there a decent third-party alternative? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Version G has the speller function, a bit like predictive text on your phone, it completes what your trying to type while you type it, there are supposed to be a few other differences, like faster route planning, but I've never been able to tell the difference. I've got a 'G' in my garage, that came out of a passat originaly, I had it in my Skoda for a while, it's been sitting in the garage for 3 years now, I need to get it checked out to make sure it's all still working ok, so It may be for sale soon. I believe they still release new discs for them every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Right I have been through this exact install & it is/can be more complicated than first think. What stereo does the car have now - is it single or double DIN & are you planning on a cluster upgrade to get nav instructions in DIS ? Version D does not have spelling but is what was fitted to the MkIVs so if you do a cluster upgrade then the nav info can display in the DIS. Version G (which is what I fitted) is a little easier to use (especially if you can't spell names of towns etc well) & will work with a MkIV but if you do a cluster upgrade you will need a TMC box to display the info in the cluster. If you have the upgrade Stereo (double DIN) then let me know as I have all the adapters which involved several attempts to get working properly as the DD stereo is CANBUS/quadlock & the MFD is different - also have the CDC changer adapter wiring too somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Should also add - they use Travelpilot DX CDs 2009/10 is out at 129 UKP gone up a bit as I bought 2007 for 79 I think ! Also you won't find a TMC box now so if you ever want to consider a cluster upgrade it will have to be Verision D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turrican Posted January 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 The car has got the gamma stereo and 6 disc changer. Not looking into changing the cluster, only got half height DIS. im definitely looking for version G, my spelling is rubbish!!! I've found someone who's selling the headunit, and also found an auction on ebay for all the cables and antenna. Plug&Play SET VW MFD AUDI SAT NAV CABLE ADAPTER ANTENNA on eBay (end time 17-Feb-10 13:40:13 GMT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Just out of interest, how much are you paying? I might be able to sell you mine if your interested, once it's been tested (should be fine, it's just not been used for 3 years), and it comes with the plug & play cable, GPS antenna and a proper genuine map disc (beware of copied discs, they don't work properly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turrican Posted January 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 My offer of £110 was accepted. How much would you want for yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Blimey, that was cheap, hoping for a bit more than that to be honest, will have to check prices out I think and decide what to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turrican Posted January 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 I thought it was a good price, hopefully he won't change his mind. I'm not sure there's a Market for them now due to the rise of tomtom's etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobGTi Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 That does sound like a good price. I have the Gamma radio and 6 disc changer in the Lupo, so I guess this would fit in there the same way as the Mkv Golf? How much do you want for yours Tipex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) That was a good price - agree must be hard to value as TomTom so cheap & more functions but I'd prefer an install in the dash personally. That is good news on the stereo setup you will have a simpler install which as I understand it will be plug & play although you will of course lose the CDC - are you going to add an iPod adapter ? PS Can you let me know if it is just PnP when you get round to installing it as may be helping a friend install one soon ? Edited January 19, 2010 by mb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turrican Posted January 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Yes I've got an xcarlink iPod cable which is connected to my gamma unit, hopefully should fit the mfd. I'll let you know how I get on when i fit it, think the hardest part will be routing the gps antenna behind the glovebox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 (edited) Thanks - I have checked the PIN Outs & all looks good - just hoping there is a Gala wire coming up to the stereo as it is a Beta version & only has front speakers ! I installed my GPS antenna behind the clocks there is a steel bar that runs behind there but I did this when I had the clocks out to pick up the Gala signal as was the quadlock version I had which was a real pain to get installed right (PnP adapter certainly wasn't !) so I wouldn't recommend that route as the connectors to the clocks were hard to disconnect although the bar is very good so might be worth a try (if you tip the wheel down then pull out the cover flap between the wheel & the clocks 2 x T20 get the clocks loose). I have also taken the GB out before & wasn't very difficult so I think you will be OK there. You can also get a GPS antenna up under the bottom of the windscreen above the pedals - there is a metal thing to stick it to (I used sticky foam as well as magnet to be sure) if you are working in daylight/lit garage you can see light shining down if you look upwards (with the knee bolster removed of course !) iPod adapter should go straight across to the MFD - I take it it has the funny green/yellow/blue "lego" mini-ISO connectors (blue is the CDC) if you don't have the yellow & green it is worth buying these as they make it all fit together/lock in better + you can wire your phone kit into the MFD that way too & make it mute/play through the speakers. BTW the later MFD models are GALA only so don't worry about changing speed pulses or anything like that as long as it is picking up a GALA signal which I am sure it will as must have GALA on the HU it should navigate OK. Edited January 19, 2010 by mb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 I think I'd want at least £150 for mine, otherwise I'd just keep it for the mrs next car (probably a Bora), it's got all the manuals and codes. Once you've fitted the MFD, you need to look up the correct settings for your car/wheel size and input them into the settings, then you get the super accurate GPS + Gala positioning, the MFD requires 2 gala signals, one for the stereo part so it adjusts the volume as you drive, and one for the Nav, the PnP cable splits the signal so both work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Once you've fitted the MFD, you need to look up the correct settings for your car/wheel size and input them into the settings, then you get the super accurate GPS + Gala positioning, the MFD requires 2 gala signals, one for the stereo part so it adjusts the volume as you drive, and one for the Nav, the PnP cable splits the signal so both work. Interesting as was told the later models only use Gala rather than ABS pulses & so could no longer adjust wheel size steeings etc. so never tried ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobGTi Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Oh right, that sounds a reasonable price. All of this talk of gala, pnp etc is straight over my head, sorry! Is there a thread that explains installation in idiot terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Trust me, If I can fit it, anyone can! I fitted it to a Skoda Superb, so maybe a bit more room behind the dash, but it literally is just a case of plugging the existing cables into the Plug N Play lead, and plugging that into the unit, the Aerial and CD changer leads just go in the normal sockets (my existing 6 disc changer worked perfectly with it). Plug in the GPS antenna, and your done, I mounted mine on the steel beam that runs across the inside of the dash, on the Superb it's behind the stereo and up a bit, may be a bit tighter on a Golf though, It just sticks onto the metal as it's magnetised. Really is a ten minute job. Gala is the electrical speed pulse that the can-bus system uses, makes the speedo work etc, and (if it's turned on) turns the stereo up as you go faster to compensate for road noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 VW seem to have changed the wiring of the HUs at the end of the Golf's life, which I think only affects cars with the Double Din HUs but could possibly also be age related. If you have a single DIN HU (which often has the CD Changer above it as a separate unit) then there is an adaptor that makes the units pretty much "plug & play" as you aren't really adapting any of the wiring just diverting the GALA feed. The GALA feed is a speed signal that the existing HU uses to increase volume with speed but the nav units will also use for navigation (GPS by itself is too slow in the MFD) so apart from putting the GPS antenna under the dash that should be it (I haven't actually installed to single DIN yet but have looke at the wiring enough times...) If you have the DD HU (or later wires) than a most of the info the MFD needs is no longer carried by lots of different wires to the HU but instead on a pair of CAN BUS wires. To use an MFD you will need an adaptor + some extra wiring behind the clocks (GALA feed) + wires for illumination, power etc. as these are all handled by CAN on this version of the wiring. I have a working adaptor as found out my car had CAN but it took a few goes to get right & is more work (depending how properly you want it to all work - I was fussy & wanted the diagnostics to work + it turn off when the key is removed rather than when ignition turned off). VW actually make a CAN emulator but I think this is 165 so an expensive route to go down (+ I think it still needs some of the wiring feeds anyway). Things get more complicated again if you want to get the nav info in the dash but most don't bother with this as involves new clocks & programming with VCDS. I have never seen a single DIN unit with the later wiring or vice versa but the easiest way to be sure is to remove your HU & see if you have ISO wiring (brown plug, black plug, green/blue/yellow mini-iSO plugs or a "quad-lock" which has erverything integrated into a single (large) connector. If you have ISO plugs then should be no biggie, quadlock & you will need to be a bit more of an "enthusiast" to do the install + make your own CD Changer adapter (unless you have the VW iPod adapter as this comes with harnesses for both interfaces) Hope this all makes sense ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Really is a ten minute job. That is good news as I am fitting one for a friend in a week or two - it did look like should be easy but good to hear as the quadlock one was more "involved". Would be a great upgrade for someone at that price ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 By 'quadlock' do you mean the plug that looks a bit like a scart lead, with a lever on it, to lock it into place? If so, thats what my Skoda had, and it all just plugged in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 No "quadlock" combines most of the individual ISO plugs into one big one - pic attached. The "scart" lead thing routes the GALA signal & on/off signal into the navi at a separate point to the ISO plug inputs, this is also where you would put Can H/L for a TMC box/cluster feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desert-zombie Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Hey Tipex. Do you know if your VW MFD - Version G requires the speed sensor from the instrument custer to get acurate speed/location. As I been told diff MFD versions are for diff vw models. Thanks Jay p.s If you still want to sell yours i'm interested (to update the wifes MCD nav unit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I *think* it gets it from the Gala wire to the stereo, the plug n play cable splits it for the nav I think. I've not dug it out yet, and need to get it checkout by my eleccy guy, but I've gotta get the mrs a new car, and if it ends up being a Bora or something VW, I'll probably bung it in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) I *think* it gets it from the Gala wire to the stereo, the plug n play cable splits it for the nav I think.I've not dug it out yet, and need to get it checkout by my eleccy guy, but I've gotta get the mrs a new car, and if it ends up being a Bora or something VW, I'll probably bung it in that. The MFD G takes the speed from the Gala input (the adaptor split this as needs to go to the MFD for 8 pin + 26 pin connectors) - provided you have a Gala feed coming into the 8 pin connector you won't need to tap off the instruments. It is the GALA feed they are taking at the cluster because US models or CANBUS cars don't bring the GALA feed to the back of the stereo in a handy wire like most VWs. Edited January 29, 2010 by mb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desert-zombie Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Ah, thaks guys. I'm sure we have that feed in our 9n polo, as we currently have the MCD sat nav working fine. I do remeber that the older models use the signal from the ABS sensor, not sure if that includes the Version - D? Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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