xzainy Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 hi. my vw bora 1.9 tdi (p.d engine 130 bhp) has a starting problem. when i start it from cold it starts and then cuts off. the second time i try to restart it, it takes a long time, but eventually starts. then after a few mins it starts blowing smoke out. the smoke eventually clears up once the car has warmed up, but for the last few days the smoke has been there even once its warmed up. this happens everytime i start the car from cold. there is no loss of power and it drives ok. ive changed the fuel filter, and its still the same. i had the oil changed about 1 month ago. any help appreciated. thnx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 What colour is the smoke? You might have a split air/turbo pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted April 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 the smoke is grey/blue, and smells of burning oil/diesel. the smoke only lasts for about 10 mins, then its gone. i have no loss in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 See how it goes now your EGR is clean. Probably was the wrong amount of air/diesel mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted April 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 yes, that was my other bora. im glad that is fixed. but this one is my main car, and i have spent well over 2 thousand pound on it. i cleaned the egr out on this one aswel, but still the same problem. plz, if u have any inkling, as to what it could be...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 I presume the oil level is OK and not reducing seriously? Any breather pipes? If they are blocked, then they could create vacuums in teh wrong places, allowing oil to be drawn into the cylinders??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted April 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 yes, oil level is ok, and it doesnt loose any oil. ive checked the breather pipes and they are also ok. ive noticed one thing today....when i start it, and wait for ALL the ignition lights to go off, including the airbag one, then it starts first time, but still blows smoke for about 5 min. ive spent to much cash on this car...almost over £2000, in the last year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 What have you spent the money on? If you don't mind me asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted April 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 injector (fitted and supplied by vw) cost £860. oil sump cost (my old one cracked and was leaking oil) batery and starter motor new brakes and disk wishbone gearbox repair fuel filter plus a few other bits which i cant remember. most of the work was done by vw... not to mention the diagnostic checks... i understand now, why they call them the stealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted April 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 also forgot to ask, do u think it might be the heater plugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Does it chug when you turn it on? (or when weather is cold?) In warmer (above 6 deg C or so) the glow plugs aren't needed. BUT the smoke shouldn't last that long even if the plugs don't come on for long enough/properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted April 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 no it doesnt chug. when i try to start it first time in the morning, it starts and then cuts of almost straight away. the 2nd time i turn the key to start it again, the engine just turns, and it doesnt fire up, the engine keeps turning, id say for about 5 seconds, and then it slowly starts to fire up, and starts. the smoke is not very heavy, unless i rev the engine, and it disappears after about 10 mins. then the car starts fine, unless i leave it for 4 or 5 hours. i dont have a warning light on or anything, and i have no loss in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Do you hear the fuel pumps priming when you turn the key (and before it starts)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted May 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 fuel pumps priming? what kind of sound will that be..? the problem has worsened, the smoke is there all the time now, its a whitish grey colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 Turn the key to the glow plug sign, and you should hear a whining and pumpy type noise. It is short and lasts about 5 seconds. Do it with the door open, but even shut you should still hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted May 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 yes, i heard the noise, it was like a zzzpp noise, which lasted for about 2-3 sec. the last 2 days, it has started first time, rather than previous attempts, where i had the problem of it cutting out and starting the 2nd time. i hav changed the temperature switch and had a oil and filter change. the smoke is still there all the time though. my hair has gone grey due to this car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 you might have some oil leaking into the manifold from somewhere. Might mean an oil breather tube is blocked, forcing oil into the manifold? you've cleaned the EGR and manifold as much as poss ( I recommend Wynns Carb Cleaner). Liberally spray in and on the EGR valve, reconnect but leave the can hose in. Start up and get someone to rev it, as you liberally spray into the manifold. Watch all the smoke come out and the engine will stutter a bit. Worth a go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted May 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 i have had the car taken to a garage today, hopefully they will find the problem. there is some oil in the egr valve, a mechanic friend told me that it might be the seals on the turbo. but also that some oil is expected in there. i will wait now, to see what the garage diagnose. hopefully it will be a minor problem, and not a major one. i'll keep u updated. thnx for help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted May 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D RESULT...!!!! i had to take the car back to vw, and told them it was a problem with the injector they fitted about 1yr ago (i was guessing, hoping they will fix it)..but they said they will check it. and then give a diagnosis... When they checked it, it was the injector and was replaced FREE of charge..under warrenty.. im absolutely over the moon, and i love vw.. ive saved a lot of money. happy happy happy. no smoke and drives like new again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Quality result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman6484 Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 The symptoms point towards the air mass sensor Do u know anyone with VAG COM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted May 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 which symptoms? i got the car fixed, and it was a faulty injector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman6484 Posted May 19, 2010 Report Share Posted May 19, 2010 fair dues, also has been known for air mass to cause starting problems mine did n also had the smoke. Cured it with a sensor what engine codes urs out of curiosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xzainy Posted May 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 it didnt have an engine code fault. i took it to vw, and they told me it was the injector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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