ahankins Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 Well, sort of, although different interations of that platform, so the current A3 doesn't entirely resemble the 1996 derivative. The 8P was introduced in 2003. The 1 series is hardly fresh out of the packet, doesn't that use bits of the previous 3 series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 That may have been the car I saw in the Hq in MK, and I was majorly disappointed with the wheels as I see them on every A3 sportbak I pass at the moment - and I'd be really p1553d if I'd spent that kind of money had had nothing exclusive on the car at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 The only exclusive part I can see, having thoroughly gone over an RS3, is the engine, and it's a cracking engine, no doubt about that, and possibly the brakes (I'm not sure what the S3 has) the rest of the car is just an ordinary A3. As much as I like the Audi 5 pot, I'm not sure I'd choose one over the BMW 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted July 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 What platform is the Scooby and Evo based on, someone please correct me if I am wrong, but they were using a vectra platform for many a year as I seem to recall, in regards to new Audi models, I think the cabins are cheaper in quality, the new A4 being a classic example,compared to the model it replaced, throw in all these new platforms will come with start stop technology, which I detest, also older models have had all the gremlins resolved over time, how many new models get "tested" in the field,and throw up a load of unforseen design faults,The Microsoft software platform way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 What platform is the Scooby and Evo based on, someone please correct me if I am wrong, but they were using a vectra platform for many a year as I seem to recall... No idea who planted that little gem. There has been co-operation between GM and both SUbaru and Mitsu over the years, but it never extended to platform sharing. The Impreza was originally born (circa 1991) with a rally bred, shortened Legacy platform, heavily revised in 2001 and 2006, and completely replaced with a new platform (based on the newer Legacy) in 2008. The Evo followed the Mitsu Lancer, then Carisma then Lancer again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted July 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 No idea who planted that little gem.There has been co-operation between GM and both SUbaru and Mitsu over the years, but it never extended to platform sharing. The Impreza was originally born (circa 1991) with a rally bred, shortened Legacy platform, heavily revised in 2001 and 2006, and completely replaced with a new platform (based on the newer Legacy) in 2008. The Evo followed the Mitsu Lancer, then Carisma then Lancer again. I bow to your superior knowledge on the subject Garcon, however, I distinctly remember reading in more than one place, that the scooby platform, was definitely based on the Vectra one at some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Sure you're not confusing Scooby with Saab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Saab used the vectra platform, and they also released the 9-3X in the USA which was basically an Impreza with a Saab badge, that may be where the confusion comes from, but the Subaru Impreza has absolutely nothing in common with the vectra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted July 6, 2011 Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 What have Autocar got agaonst the RS3 - today's Road Test makes for an alternative conclusion of the merits or otherwise of the car ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted July 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 What have Autocar got agaonst the RS3 - today's Road Test makes for an alternative conclusion of the merits or otherwise of the car ! Rumour has it, that an Audi driver "Hung like a Donkey on Viagra" has been sticking it "up" Autocar "Reviewer" Twatt Saunders..... Boyfriend............explains why he wrote such a "Biatch" of a piece, containing nothing but personal Audi bashing rhetoric and not much else..........or could be the fact that Beemer have given them a 1Mower fully expensed for a year........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted July 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 Sure you're not confusing Scooby with Saab? Nop definitely heard that said, and read it in a couple of places, admitted it was a few years back, but I do distinctly remember it, but there again it could well have been twaddle, as you know how well Car Journos know there subject............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted July 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2011 but the Subaru Impreza has absolutely nothing in common with the vectra. I disagree Tipex, both cars are usually piloted by geezers who" Drive" like they have stolen them, if you dont believe my theory, just check out the speed and driving of the next Vectra you see on the road............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 There's still a difference. The Impreza would be in front of your RS3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted July 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 There's still a difference.The Impreza would be in front of your RS3. Quite possibly Garcon,but I least I wont be attracting the love, adoration,attention and competition of every "Big Bore" saxo driver in town...........or the old bill for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted July 7, 2011 Report Share Posted July 7, 2011 You sure? have you had a look at those stupid wheels on the RS3 yet? Trust me, the Saxo drivers would just think it was another tdi, badged as an RS3, with some silly wheels, so they'd probably think you were one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 You sure? have you had a look at those stupid wheels on the RS3 yet?Trust me, the Saxo drivers would just think it was another tdi, badged as an RS3, with some silly wheels, so they'd probably think you were one of them. Tipex reallythe RS3 bashing stance is running out of steam, if you have to resort to "dissin" the alloys..........also I think we are all pretty much in agreement that it looks like a bog standard Tdi in the steel, which suits me just fine, and since when did Saxo drivers actually engage in "Conscious thought"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Gosh the Audi RS3 is taking some serious heat on here, personally I don't see it having any competition in the market place at this moment in time and does have some good hardware under its skin. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 That's the thing, no one on here is denying it's quick, no one is saying it won't handle reasonably well, no one is saying it's sh1t. What we are saying, is it's dull as ditch water to look at, it's absolutely not worth 40k of anyones money, no matter how you try and justify it, and it's just come too late at the end of the lifespan of a particularly old and dated chassis. If it had arrived 5 years ago, at 30k, it would have been a good, if still a bit dull (but you either 'get' the Audi look or you don't) buy. My personal feeling, is that the guys who are after one, are the 'told you so' guys, who've been hankering after one for the last 10 years, since the rumours started, and were the first to point and go 'ha' at everyone who said it'd never happen, but it seems they've got so caught up in the hype, they've failed to take a step back and actually have a proper, unbiased look at the final product, as I just cannot see how anyone could ever justify a minimum of 40k before you add essential options, for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie_n Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 That's the thing, no one on here is denying it's quick, no one is saying it won't handle reasonably well, no one is saying it's sh1t.What we are saying, is it's dull as ditch water to look at, it's absolutely not worth 40k of anyones money, no matter how you try and justify it, and it's just come too late at the end of the lifespan of a particularly old and dated chassis. If it had arrived 5 years ago, at 30k, it would have been a good, if still a bit dull (but you either 'get' the Audi look or you don't) buy. My personal feeling, is that the guys who are after one, are the 'told you so' guys, who've been hankering after one for the last 10 years, since the rumours started, and were the first to point and go 'ha' at everyone who said it'd never happen, but it seems they've got so caught up in the hype, they've failed to take a step back and actually have a proper, unbiased look at the final product, as I just cannot see how anyone could ever justify a minimum of 40k before you add essential options, for that. I think everyone here is overlooking the factthat cars are more expensive than they used to be. The rs3 is certainly cheaper than a 1m and to be honest even a Subaru wry sit is £33k before you add the mountain of options you would need to bring it up to the spec of a standard rs3. Even a golf r when specced similarly will not be much cheaper. I do think £40k is a lot of many for a relatively small hatchback, but as I asked before; what offers the same practicality and performance coupled with good build quality for the same price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie_n Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Wry sit. I hate this keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 even a Subaru wry sit is £33k before you add the mountain of options you would need to bring it up to the spec of a standard rs3. The Subaru WRX STI is expensive at £33k. But you're dead wrong about the options. You'd have to spend a fortune on the mountain of options you would need to bring an RS3 up to the spec of a standard WRX STI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 That's the thing, no one on here is denying it's quick, no one is saying it won't handle reasonably well, no one is saying it's sh1t.What we are saying, is it's dull as ditch water to look at, it's absolutely not worth 40k of anyones money, no matter how you try and justify it, and it's just come too late at the end of the lifespan of a particularly old and dated chassis. If it had arrived 5 years ago, at 30k, it would have been a good, if still a bit dull (but you either 'get' the Audi look or you don't) buy. My personal feeling, is that the guys who are after one, are the 'told you so' guys, who've been hankering after one for the last 10 years, since the rumours started, and were the first to point and go 'ha' at everyone who said it'd never happen, but it seems they've got so caught up in the hype, they've failed to take a step back and actually have a proper, unbiased look at the final product, as I just cannot see how anyone could ever justify a minimum of 40k before you add essential options, for that. I was one of the hardcore fans who wanted the RS3 back when I had my original Audi S3 (2001/2). Since then I have owned a few more cars and times have moved on for me, just not feeling the whole direction in which quattro GmbH are heading..... only probably 3 standout RS models in my eyes over the year which are the Audi RS2, RS4 (94) Avant (00) and the B7 RS4 (05). £40k seems a lot of money but all cars have gone up in price, you get sod all these days when comparing to previous generations of models. Bottom line is that due to the short number of RS3's being sold, the values will hold up really well.... so if new owners don't like them, they can sell them for little or no loss. I hope to read real owner reviews once people start getting them but nothing would make me buy one as its not the RS3 I dreamt of 5-10 years ago. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie_n Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 The Subaru WRX STI is expensive at £33k. But you're dead wrong about the options. You'd have to spend a fortune on the mountain of options you would need to bring an RS3 up to the spec of a standard WRX STI. Surely you woul need to add a dual clutch transmission and sat nav to the Subaru as a start. That would brink it to £37-38k, not so far off is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) It's a proper car, so no dual clutch transmission is available. Good old fashioned hairy chested 6 speed manual. And sat nav (a far superior unit to the Audi one - you can put in full postcodes and everything...) is now standard. As is keyless go, alcantara/leather Recaros, a proper stereo, bluetooth/handsfree mobile, adjustable diff, and the knowledge you're driving a rally car not a converted supermarket trolley. To be fair, the standard kit list on the RS3 isn't too bad by Audi standards. Edited July 9, 2011 by garcon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderMacK Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Does anyone know if modern rally cars are paddle shift or are standard clutch + gear stick ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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