Eric Pisch Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 (edited) RS3 is a great car and I understand why it ticks all the boxes for you. The performance is very very good and the noise it makes is epic. It is however very practical and stealth like.Depreciation wise the RS3 is predicted to be hold it's value much better than any of it competitors and as you say the 5 year warranty is a no brainer - I took it too. Its more than very good, the whole package is superb, the ride, handing, brakes, turn in just on a different planet to the R Golf and S3, the S3 loan car I have at the moment feels like a 1.2 polo in comparison, it gets totally out of shape under braking, the ride is harder yet the handling is poor in comparison and theres more body roll?? and its less economical??? the lack of a tall 7th and the big low down lag means you have to work it harder. The 6sp dry duel clutch is very sloppy compared to the 7sp wet clutch in the RS3. Its very easy to get the ass out on the S3 thou, never managed it in the RS3, it just goes round the corner 20mph faster lol There is nothing comparable atm imo, maybe the RS4 but thats going to be 65k by the time its speced, the 4WD AMG A Class looks very interesting thou I will say my dealer has been superb so far, hopefully saturday week they are going to become bloody awesome :D Why I asked for another one and wouldn't walk away, I miss it like crazy .... Edited May 16, 2012 by Eric Pisch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Why would you knowingly accept something that's been repaired when you have option not to? Each to their own, I guess. Because opting not to means having to wait another six months or even more, when there is a perfect car sitting waiting to be driven. And that's the point, if it's perfect, you wouldn't know it's been repaired, so why worry about it, perfect is perfect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Nope, the point is it's *not* perfect. It needs work. And what if he gave them the OK to replace the glass (assuming it was an option) and the work they do is not perfect e.g. they scratch the paint when taking out the glass and it needs a paint repair? Round 2 of a ballache of an argument? As it is, I *think* all they've done is fit aftermarket tints anyway. Why have the potential for more hassle when he can walk away with his money or re-order, because as things stand, he has grounds for rejection? He's obviously not bothered about picking the car up ASAP or he wouldnt have waited this long to begin with. This is getting to be another 'Tipex cannot be wrong' thread rather than constructive comment on the RS3 or Ashley's car, so I'll bow out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 This is getting to be another 'Tipex cannot be wrong' thread rather than constructive comment on the RS3 or Ashley's car, so I'll bow out Not at all, I'm just curious as to why you would reject a car (not referring to Ashley and the RS3 here, his reasons for rejection are clear given the dealers 'solution') if it had, say for example, been scratched before delivery, if the repair had been carried out perfectly and invisibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Couple of pics of car pre tint (Pains me to say it) see what it looks like tomorrow, and what sort of deal we end up doing, if any: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 I think you'll be surprised by the tints as assuming they've been done properly they are very good, and as mentioned before, the security addition of the film is a bonus. It's certainly very understated in that colour, which is what you were going for if I'm not mistaken, a sleeper for sure, or a perfect bank robbers car, anonymous but fast as fook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 I think you'll be surprised by the tints as assuming they've been done properly they are very good, and as mentioned before, the security addition of the film is a bonus.It's certainly very understated in that colour, which is what you were going for if I'm not mistaken, a sleeper for sure, or a perfect bank robbers car, anonymous but fast as fook! Well, we will see what it looks like tomorrow. In regards to colours, I have to say "Moschops" exclusive sprint blue RS3, looks absolutely "Dope" IMO, best colour I have seen on an RS3 bar none, only one in the UK, have to resist the urge to re order in that particular colour TBH, but non descript, boring stealth is my thing,so SG is pretty much the one for me. On the note of stealth, I'll post up some pics of my latest little stealth project, later this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 If I bought a 'new' car I'd want a 'new' car, not one that's new (as in not driven) but from an old platform and already superseded? The RS3 was a vaguely exciting prospect up to about a year ago. Confused a lot of people, disappointed some. The 'roll out' RS models for the '6/'4 got away with it as the cars were quickly available - would I have bought a B5 RS4 when every other A4 was an B6? Not a chance. I had time to enjoy it being the pinnacle of the current model. Agree with TipEx on the repair thing though - I couldn't care less what's been done to a car to repair it, as long as it's done properly. The flip side to this, and here's where I'll vaguely agree with you Ashley, is that sometimes things/products just work for you as a customer. If that's the case here, go for it and get the right car ordered if you can. Why not, if it's what you want and you can afford it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Pisch Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 [ATTACH=CONFIG]46185[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]46186[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]46187[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]46188[/ATTACH]Couple of pics of car pre tint (Pains me to say it) see what it looks like tomorrow, and what sort of deal we end up doing, if any: looks good in suzuka grey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Pisch Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 If I bought a 'new' car I'd want a 'new' car, not one that's new (as in not driven) but from an old platform and already superseded? The RS3 was a vaguely exciting prospect up to about a year ago. Confused a lot of people, disappointed some. The 'roll out' RS models for the '6/'4 got away with it as the cars were quickly available - would I have bought a B5 RS4 when every other A4 was an B6? Not a chance. I had time to enjoy it being the pinnacle of the current model. Agree with TipEx on the repair thing though - I couldn't care less what's been done to a car to repair it, as long as it's done properly. The flip side to this, and here's where I'll vaguely agree with you Ashley, is that sometimes things/products just work for you as a customer. If that's the case here, go for it and get the right car ordered if you can. Why not, if it's what you want and you can afford it Not much of the old car left, got a new and exclusive RS engine, the fronts chopped about to fit it and the coolers, unique to the A3 7 speed wet clutch DSG again chopped to fit, New back end "frame" which the car again has to be modified, new suspension, new brakes, new steering. Carbon front wings, new bumpers and grill, new exhaust. They have done a proper job on the car, spent all the money in the right places - on the bits that make it go faster with a few cosmetic changes to keep the costs down and ended up with a car that drives like no other 3 or 5 door VAG for a couple of K more than a S3 and about the same price as the R Golf in very limited numbers. Probably why parkers have it down as the lowest depreciating car on the market (in a time when the car industry is on the verge of collapse, except the Germans ) and the few still in the system are still holding very high prices, my car 9 months old with millage lists for only 2k less than i paid for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 It's still vaguely based on a what, 8 year old platform? I'm not slating the car by the way - the fact that there's a new platform doesn't immediately make the old rubbish. It just makes it superseded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Pisch Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 It's still vaguely based on a what, 8 year old platform? I'm not slating the car by the way - the fact that there's a new platform doesn't immediately make the old rubbish. It just makes it superseded. i can respect that, but to me its so changed and drives so differently to anything else its pretty much a stand alone car sure it would have been nice to have a totally unique body and interior but then it would have been 100k and probably binned like the quattro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 It boils down to whether it bothers you that very soon the basic shell of your RS3 will be that of the 'previous' A3. Given that this what Audi always seem to do with their RS models (and just to balance that, is exactly what BMW have done with the 1M Coupe), I don't suppose you have much choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Apparently the new shared platform coming in is a corker too. Wouldn't that be annoying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Pisch Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Apparently the new shared platform coming in is a corker too. Wouldn't that be annoying! Does the B7 V8 RS4 make the urquatto or RS2 any less special? Audi have made a gem with the RS3, it should go down as one of there all time classics I dont have a need to have the latest must have everything, my 5 year old 60" pioneer kuro is still superb, a bit thick but matches anything on the market for PQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Those comparisons miss the point. The point is whether it's entirely fair on buyers of the RS3 that they'll be picking up their pride and joy just before - or in some cases possibly after - that particular A3 platform has been replaced by a new model. Like buying a new B7 RS4 when the B8 A4 was imminent/out. You do hit on another point. If it is such a good car, then the older it gets the less that matters and the more it is viewed as a classic (amongst Audiphiles at least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt R Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Tinted glass for the parts is 489.01+Vat at RRP, there is a fair amount of margin in this also to the dealer. I am just waiting for my VAG approved window fitter to give me a fitted price. Confident this can all be done for less than £750 not the 2k bantered around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Tinted glass for the parts is 489.01+Vat at RRP, there is a fair amount of margin in this also to the dealer. I am just waiting for my VAG approved window fitter to give me a fitted price. Confident this can all be done for less than £750 not the 2k bantered around It was me that 'bantered the £2k around'. If you take the time re-read my post, you'll see it was a hypothetical amount to demonstrate if the cost of replacing all the parts (not just glass, someone mentioned parcel shelf etc) + labour was excessive in the dealer's eyes, *for example £2k*, then a dealer might decide it's not financially viable to do the work. As was the case with my car and the unheated seats. No doubt Ashley will have more information on what they are or aren't prepared to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 Well he should have made his decision by now, I'm itching to know what he's gone for, the whole sorry saga has gone on for so long now. And without bashing the RS3 anymore, as we've established it's not for me, but is for others, I can't honestly see it going down in history as one of the greats, very very few modern cars do these days I'm afraid, particularly ones made from the VAG parts bin, no matter how good the sum of its parts are, it's just not 'special' enough. (to me at least) And Eric, you can tell us how different it is till your blue in the face, whichever way you look at it, it's still the old platform, and it still looks like the old A3, and I simply don't believe that much of it has changed, it would be prohibitively expensive to put it through the massive re-engineering of an imminently to be replaced platform, that was already engineered for 4wd and big engines. But that's only my opinion, and I know others disagree, at the end of the day, you buy the car that appeals to you, not me, so I hope you thoroughly enjoy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Man Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 [ATTACH=CONFIG]46185[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]46186[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]46187[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]46188[/ATTACH]Couple of pics of car pre tint (Pains me to say it) see what it looks like tomorrow, and what sort of deal we end up doing, if any: I`v always liked the A3...understated good looks...very stealthy...love the colour as well....I think I may have been one of the few fans of the interior as well....and that probably explains why I bought one....However in my case that was 7yrs ago....and that`s the only issue I have with this car.....I`v never understood why Audi and BMW wait until the final nail is about to be hammered into a models metaphorical coffin before unleashing the Full Fat version....Nevertheless....I hope all is resolved today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 The point is whether it's entirely fair on buyers of the RS3 that they'll be picking up their pride and joy just before - or in some cases possibly after - that particular A3 platform has been replaced by a new model. No one's being forced and it's hardly a shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 No one's being forced and it's hardly a shocker. No indeed, I was just trying to clarify the point being made. I'm sure anyone who actually buys one, especially those who've waited so long (through years of rumours!), won't be bothered that it'll soon be the 'old' A3. It's not as if they'll be launching it with a new RS version. Still, the general policy - Audi with the RS models and BMW with some of their M's and special editions - of using these halo versions to send the old model out with a bang does make me wonder how many potential buyers are put off by it being an 'old' model. If you're after the ultimate performance version of your Audi/BMW, surely you'd prefer it to be the latest model, with the latest technology, latest engineering and latest engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 I'm shocked, Ashley I know a lot of advice has been given on here, the ultimate choice is yours and yours alone, go with what you want. Bottom line the Audi RS3 is a great car and your right in saying there isn't much around the same price range which ticks so many boxes. Waiting for a car isn't a problem as long as its going to be a keeper and your willing to wait...... I'm after a GT3, may take me a year or two to save up but I'll wait.... this shall be my final big car. Why don't you get them to order you the same spec car (without tints) but get them to put in Audi Exclusive items as a freebie... like two tone interior, interior trim pack, RS3 exclusive mat? Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted May 17, 2012 Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 If it's any help... 2 x RS3's for sale on the GC Motors site in Harrogate (good specialist independents from what I've heard): RS3's - both with 300 miles on the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted May 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2012 If it's any help...2 x RS3's for sale on the GC Motors site in Harrogate (good specialist independents from what I've heard): RS3's - both with 300 miles on the clock Thanks for the heads up on those cars, but unfortunately not the spec / colour I am after. I have rejected the car, they are considering an offer to me, which consists of me driving the current car, till the other one makes an appearance, which sounds fair enough, but depends on what "Guaranteed value" they are going to put on the current car, come change over time, so we'll see, so if it is going to cost me like a "Tenner" might consider it :-) Just to note, that if you cling film tint a car with a heated rear screen, in other words any friggin car, it will look like "Spiderman" has sh4t all over your rear screen, as the tint being applied internaly, highlights the heating matrix in the glass, as well as the peripheral foil contact strip, something factory tinted glass, does not do, as obviously it is tinted through its thickness. I had to point this out of course, as no one else had noticed this rather cr4p effect caused by applying the tinted clingy film? Strange that? Particularly as I was able to point out all the 2nd hand cars with either factory privacy or clingy film fitted, from about 50 yards, without even needing to slap my "Bins" on, amazing how peeps who have been flogging cars for years, suddenly "discover" these things, when you point them out.....never ceases to amaze and amuse me at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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