craigyb Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Is it possible to steal an Audi without the keys or a flatbed loader? Reason I ask is that a mate of mine watched as a guy walked up his driveway late at night, unlocked the car and jumped in and drove off. My mate pulled some clothes on a gave chase in another car but lost them. He has both keys in his possession. Police said they used a scanner, but I think it's not possible with a scanner to start the car, maybe get in it, but not start it. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 That sounds like some hi-tech shizzle - potentially an unknown 3rd key copy?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Comfort access........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Comfort access? that wouldn't start the engine surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 I read something similar on a US forum about 3 - 4 months ago but it didn't really go big and hence just quietly disappeared without much confirmation there was nothing more to it. Makes you wonder if they could scan the keyfob and also get an impression from the key when the owner wasn't aware or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuits Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Comfort access? that wouldn't start the engine surely? If the key is within range, you just need to press the START button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) Well I've had keyless go before in an S8 and now in the A7 and the key has to be pretty dam close to start the car, also assuming it has keyless go which in this case it doesn't. The guy is pretty security conscious, he has perimiter alarms on his property, which is why he was watching the guy pass his driveway a few times then walk up it. He thought he was going for the house and waited until the guy went around the back, but was a bit taken aback when he simply unlocked his car and drove off. Edited May 16, 2011 by craigyb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDYDUBS Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Dont like to be a sceptic but when was his vehicle last in at an Audi retailer? Did it have any work relating to a key or remote? The reason i ask is that I being in the retailers its quite easy IF!!!! an intermittent key issue arose,say under warranty and they didnt request it back could quite easily in this current climate to fall into the wrong hands. To literally walk up and straight in and off has to be something like that OR really big fish stealing to order with very hi tech gadgetry to clone keys transponders etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted May 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Well thefts of Audi/BMW in the Sale/Ashton upon Mersey area have suddenly shot up in the past 2 weeks according to the police, they are very aware of the issues. I suspect an inside job at Audi myself or dare I say it an independent with key coding facilities. But as BM's are bing taken as well it sort of dismisses the Audi dealership corruption, but he is going to contact Audi UK tomorrow to see if anyone has applied for a replacement key. I have put up my lockable bollards to try and deter it happening to me. Just hope i remember to put them down again before I reverse off the drive way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted May 16, 2011 Report Share Posted May 16, 2011 Which model was it Craig? Some of the older immobilisers can be circumvented but it's not a two second job. A car I worked on once was stolen the night after I worked on it, when he got it back I inspected the car and found that a coded transponder had been stuck to the inside of the cowling, close enough to authorise the immobiliser. I don't know the outcome of that case but there must have been some insider goings on with the history of the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted May 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 It was a 56 plate Q7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Hmm immobiliser could be disabled over OBD but not as quickly as getting in the car and driving away. As for the suggestion of some kind of scanner.. I guess it could be possible to scan and replicate the central locking signal but I definitely can't see the immobiliser being manipulated in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted May 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Which are basically my thoughts as well. The guy simply walked up the driveway and got in and drove away. No time to mess around plugging in ODB tools, plus the ignition would have to be on to access the components right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Yep definitely. There's obviously something going on but it's probably a lot less hi-tech than suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted May 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 It also seems a lot of trouble to go to for a 5 year old car, no disrespect but if there was a requirement for cars then surely a 2010/11 car would be more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDYDUBS Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Later cars the tech has got more and more advanced so possibly the tea leaves have not quite sussed it yet. Must be an inside job for it to be that quick?????? The market for used parts for a vehicle of that age is bigger than say a newer vehicle as it would stick out like a sore thumb if you get my drift. PLUS.........not sure about Audi, but VW are helping to combat key copying of any kind. When ordering a key weather it be part coded as some are or the laser cut jobbies they key number is no longer given to the parts person or customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac22 Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Well I have just been googling "Audi Keyless stolen" as on Friday our A6 Lemans was stolen from a Retail Park in Liverpool. And I basically cannot believe what I am reading here! Our Audi a6 had the keyless entry and start, it was parked up no more than 30 foot from where my wife was stoodfor no more than 10 minutes. Then the CCTV pans away and the car is gone by the time the CCTV pans back 1.30 seconds later. Its the strangest thing as I have no idea other than a possible relay attack on the key as to how it was stolen. It just seems strange that the other car mentioned here was a 56/57 vintage audi that also had keyless, and it lkived in the Northwest of England. Is there any news on what the insurers have said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Boy Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 We do alot with RFID and dare I say it we captured my Audi key along with the directors 5 series. I hate to say it but it's very easy but without the means to code another key that's as far as we got. I'm not going to put the link up but the scanner/clone tools are available on some Russian web sites. The only technology that hasn't been hacked is Mifare Desfire EV1, but it's only a matter of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 But even if they beat the fob surely the immobiliser should stop them just driving off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Boy Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 The Fob will be linked to the immobiliser i would have thorght But even if they beat the fob surely the immobiliser should stop them just driving off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 It's not worth having both then if grabbing the fob's transmission get's past the immobiliser. I also thought they had to be separate systems to get Chatcham approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Boy Posted May 31, 2011 Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 I don't think Audi have any kind of Thatcham status on there cars, just factory fitted I believe It's not worth having both then if grabbing the fob's transmission get's past the immobiliser. I also thought they had to be separate systems to get Chatcham approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted May 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 So this was my take on it, key is scanned at some point, (seems rather random that they scanned your A6 as you drove into the car park and locked teh car, but they could have been waiting for any A6/Q7 of your year) having got the cloned code they unlock the car, jab in a blank key and press the cloner to generate a code, pushing a blank in tells the key reader to activate. That's the only thing I can think of, but with Keyless entry/go then that would not even be needed, just push you cloner and off you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted May 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2011 Anyway feck it, I have GAP insurance back to retail price, so if it goes I get a new car and I wouldn't want the old one back anyhow. And the insurance has to payout as I will have both the keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wantcarback Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Which model was it Craig? Some of the older immobilisers can be circumvented but it's not a two second job.A car I worked on once was stolen the night after I worked on it, when he got it back I inspected the car and found that a coded transponder had been stuck to the inside of the cowling, close enough to authorise the immobiliser. I don't know the outcome of that case but there must have been some insider goings on with the history of the car. Hello, I'm new on here today. I just found a number of youtube videos showing how a modern car can be opened-including an Audi TT. I had my TT for 2 months, drove it to Berlin, Germany from the Bristol UK area and had it here (Berlin) 3 weeks and one night I went to go out in it.....and...it was gone. Now I know how the door can be opened, but would it have been easy for the thief to start it without a key? I also have another question regarding an idea as to retrieving it, which I will ask after I get any response from my opening bit here. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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