billy2shots Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Not sure how it all works out, but since the very start of the EPL, you've spent nearly £200m more than United have.... And most of that came in the last few seasons.Since 1992, spending ranking is: Chelsea City Liverpool United And that's on gross figures, net is even more favourable to United.... At £177m for United vs £483m for City. But get your excuses in early.... Given ur current squad cost more than that I suggest you look again LOL. 177m in 10 years??? Last nights team cost you just shy of 150m. I suggest your taking into account money brought into the club through different sources and player sales etc. Nothing like twisting a few statistics to make a point. A final note from me. If the cost of playing staff should dictate your success why don't man u beat Barcelona? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I think the whole transfer spend debate is irrelevant. Clubs spend what they can afford, and set their transfer policy accordingly. City have spent a lot in a relatively short period of time, United have done so more gradually, only making seriously big money purchases once or twice a season to evolve the side. And these days, wage structure is at least as significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I have a question for the Utd fans. Do you think that this season shows just how much you'll miss Fergie when he goes? There's no one else on Earth who could have got ManU to where they are this season. I have no idea how he keeps that rabble winning :confused: ManU's spending is up there with the rest of them. £18m on a young, unproven GK is a lot. If he doesn't make it, that's probably a resale value of about £3m or even have to let him see his contract out. £17m on Young was a lot IMO, but he's played well. Still, you're not buying £30m Brazilian defenders Oh and LOLerpool wasted more money than anyone last summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Billy, you're not going to get anywhere with a list like that. We can all Google the net spend table of the Premier League. Transferleague.co.uk is great. You should read it, it'll bring it all home to you how dismal your club performance is. Over the last 5 seasons City's net spend (net) is a whopping £430 million. United's is £48 million. If you're going to try to defend your spending and relative performance, well it's a joke and 99% of people would acknowledge that! Chelsea's net spend over the same 5 seasons is £160m, though yes you'd be right to point out they spent a few hundred million before that (but they did win the league too!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I have a question for the Utd fans. Do you think that this season shows just how much you'll miss Fergie when he goes? There's no one else on Earth who could have got ManU to where they are this season. I have no idea how he keeps that rabble winning :confused:ManU's spending is up there with the rest of them. £18m on a young, unproven GK is a lot. If he doesn't make it, that's probably a resale value of about £3m or even have to let him see his contract out. £17m on Young was a lot IMO, but he's played well. Still, you're not buying £30m Brazilian defenders Oh and LOLerpool wasted more money than anyone last summer Hey Matt, if you want to talk about your club, let's go for it. Come on, we're all waiting. How many years without silverware of any form now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 A final note from me. If the cost of playing staff should dictate your success why don't man u beat Barcelona? Desperate times, desperate comments eh? It's hurting Billy isn't it. I feel your pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Net spend of United vs City for the past 5 years is a bit pointless though. City were £400m worse off 5 years ago. Now they have a squad which will be maintainable at about the same rate, if not better. I can see ManU spending another £50m this summer. City will be shipping dead wood like GreedyBayor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Come on, we're all waiting. How many years without silverware of any form now? Dunno, ask Birmingham and Liverpool how much fun winning the Carling Cup is and if it's worth the other heartache? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 You're saying you wouldn't want to win the Carling Cup? Right now I'd have thought you'd be looking forward to the prospect of Egg Cups appearing at The Emirates this Easter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Net spend of United vs City for the past 5 years is a bit pointless though. City were £400m worse off 5 years ago. Now they have a squad which will be maintainable at about the same rate, if not better. I can see ManU spending another £50m this summer. City will be shipping dead wood like GreedyBayor. I wouldn't dispute it Matt, I'm just responding to the excuses of the City fan. They have failed miserably, there is no excuse for it. Shocking management, Balotelli, Tevez, individuals not understanding what 'team' means, all of it. City should have walked the title this year. Instead, they'll have to watch as United collect their 20th - and boy will we be noisy about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 You're saying you wouldn't want to win the Carling Cup? Right now I'd have thought you'd be looking forward to the prospect of Egg Cups appearing at The Emirates this Easter. I'm saying, I'd rather be challenging for third place in the Premiership and extending our 15 year run in the Champions League than playing for 7th or even relegated. It won't be much longer before you see us lifting a trophy again, don't worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I wouldn't dispute it Matt, I'm just responding to the excuses of the City fan.They have failed miserably, there is no excuse for it. Shocking management, Balotelli, Tevez, individuals not understanding what 'team' means, all of it. City should have walked the title this year. Instead, they'll have to watch as United collect their 20th - and boy will we be noisy about it. Ffs what excuses am I making? I thought my post was clear about utd doing better than city this year, how is that an excuse? My only negative point regarding utd is towards some fans who keep rolling out the money excuses so just incase they don't win they can revert to type and bang on about money. Your whole argument (once again you turn someone's different opinion into an argument) is that a club that has spent more money than another should beat them. Well tell that to crystal palace when they beat utd, qpr last weekend or wigan the week before that. Your reasoning should then mean England should win ALL international tournaments as the squad is the most expensive assembled. There are just too many factors with regards money, English players command higher transfer fees between 2 English clubs, English clubs have more money than other clubs around the world (like for like) etc etc. We can carry that on to clubs demanding more money for their players when city come sniffing round, artificially inflating the players value. Then you muddy the water further by going back in history and talking about net spend. I wonder if anyone would like to look up the difference both clubs recieved in tv money since the prem started. No? Didn't think so because city have spent a quarter of that time in lower divisions and recieved far less money. Is that Utds fault? No of course not but it has a huge impact when people bring up net spend in the last 12 years. As I say just looking at figures on paper is ridiculous, if it wasn't then why bother playing the game, just give the 3 points to the most expensive team. I don't know how I can say this any clearer. Utd have won the league because over the course of the year they have been the best team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I have a question for the Utd fans. Do you think that this season shows just how much you'll miss Fergie when he goes? There's no one else on Earth who could have got ManU to where they are this season. I have no idea how he keeps that rabble winning :confused: I wouldn't call it a rabble, but any honest United fan will be dreading the day he retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Your whole argument (once again you turn someone's different opinion into an argument) is that a club that has spent more money than another should beat them. When you're talking of the scale of spending we are here - yes I am. It is a very pertinent point. If you're honest you know you should have wrapped this title up weeks and weeks ago. There is no way we should have been able to claw back the gap or get into the position we find ourselves in now - not when faced with a team who can put a player of the expense of Dzeko on the bench, to mention just one. Your reasoning should then mean England should win ALL international tournaments as the squad is the most expensive assembled. Is it? I would doubt that very much. If you take the individual value of players in the Spanish national squad then I'd be fairly sure they'd top that table. Come to think of it, with the values placed on Messi and Ronaldo, maybe they wouldn't! No I'm not making that point and you know that what is being said is that City should have won the league this year with the sheer talent they've splashed out on. I don't know how I can say this any clearer. Utd have won the league because over the course of the year they have been the best team in the league. It goes much deeper than that. You have to look at 'why' they've been the best team to this point - and that comes down to SAF keeping the unit as a team. It's not over yet, I'm aware of that, but Mancini has failed to control his team and I think he's been his own worst enemy at times. When you're splashing the cash on players that he has it's bound to lead to a few problems, but a stronger man would have kicked at least one of them (we know who) out by now or certainly not brought him back in. Same goes for Balotelli. He's had superb support from the fans - and how has he repaid them? With some quite astonishing antics. Mancini should have sorted that. As Hansen, Lawrenson and Shearer all said - why is he playing when it is evident he isn't in the right frame of mind to be a constituent part of what is needed right now....a team. Frankly I'm stunned we find ourselves in the position we are. Not because I didn't think we'd push you all the way - I did. But because I never anticipated the dropping of points by City in the fashion they have of late. That's down to Mancini, the players being a bit too up themselves for their own good and, I must say.....I think they thought they'd done enough. I honestly think they got complacent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I wouldn't call it a rabble, but any honest United fan will be dreading the day he retires. I wouldn't deny that, but as you say it isn't a rabble - it's a very very strong squad of players that play exceptionally well as team. Other clubs could learn from the ethic he has driven through the team (and the Reserves too as many will note by looking at their position in the BPLR North). His departure isn't coming next season though so I'll sleep soundly for now. It looks like 2014/15 will be his last season, but I won't be surprised if he stays beyond that. Replacing him isn't possible. Replacing the position is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I'm going to stop after this because it really isn't my intention to argue but before I do I will just make one final point. MrMe your reasoning seems to go out of the window when your trying to put your views across. Utd spending less than city and still being successful over the years is because of the fantastic youth system they have that churns quality players out. This is a great factor that benefits you and your stance on finances. However your reasoning goes out the window when again you want to disagree with me and say the Spanish team costs more player for player than the English team. Remember player values are meaningless, you man u fans are basing your arguments on transfer fees paid of which I have all ready said can be inflated due to many factors in an earlier post. With that in mind let's take a look at a Spanish 11 Casieas (sp you no who I mean) transfer fee NOTHING. Carlos Pyol NOTHING Alba NOTHING Pique on phone so can't check but it wasn't much. Xavi NOTHING Inesta NOTHING xabi Alonso or Cesc late 20s Busquets NOTHING LLORENTE NOTHING Villa 23 million. You get the idea. So man for man, transfer fees paid for players in the English team far outweigh that of transfer fees paid for the Spanish team. If these were two club teams your argument would have England winning hands down. My argument would have the best team, best managed team winning regardless of how much that team cost on paper. Clear as mud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Arsenal are the best team in the world, end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I agree. In the world of North London, specifically in terms of proximity to the mainline into Kings Cross, Arsenal are the best team in the world. Meanwhile, in the real world, we'll be having our trophy locked up for another year in its rightful place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I support them, what else can I say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3Bangs Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Arsenal are the best team in the world, end of. What a load of shiite!! Have you ever thought of supporting a team like Liverpool? Give me strength. (Awaits barrage of abuse..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 With the exception of Swansea (who have been ace, a credit to a poor value base resource club) there's been some absolute shite football this season. Liverpool have excelled, Arsenal have tried to keep up with Liverpool, but even Wengers current lot can't be THAT bad. Although IF RVP had a early season injury, we'd be fighting amongst the bottom 5. The PL hall of shame includes all 3 Big London clubs this season, although had Spurs not fallen over the "Harry for England" thing they could have laid claim to being the best in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I don't think there has been shite football any more than any other season - I think the season has been a very entertaining one. Spurs still could lay claim to being the best in London this year in my view. That said, if Arsenal beat City this weekend I'll happily change my mind in a millisecond. Chelsea have been desperately poor (I thought they'd push United and City for the title this year) but Arsenal have recovered reasonably well. Liverpool, ah where do you start. People tipped them for the title (Milo!) - but that was probably after a truckload of Stella Artois and a few too many shorts. King Kenny - cataclysmic mistake. Enough said. Swansea have been excellent. Norwich equally so. Sunderland look strong under O'Neill and if he is given money they'll threaten the top 8 again next year in my opinion. Once he has his own squad in I expect him to win something. Maybe the Carling Cup, but still something. However, you can't really look past Newcastle if you want the shock of the season. What Pardew has done there is frankly incredible. If I had a vote on Premier League Manager of the Year I'd hand it to Pardew. He deserves it. Shame they'll lose Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Djemba Ba and Krull in the closed season when Mike Cashley gets a few bids put in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Come on, we're all waiting. How many years without silverware of any form now? Weve won a trophy since ive been born :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 What's 9 inches long and hangs behind a c unt? Andy Carroll's pony tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldavo69 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 I support them, what else can I say? 10 hail mary's and throw some salt over your shoulder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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