Milo Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 And you can royally feck off. I will, honestly. In about a fortnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) I thought we were bloody awful and only came to life once the game had slipped away.We really should have played 4-4-2 from the start, with a pair of conventional wingers and Rooney / Wellbeck up front. It's the one weakness of Fergie - he persists with that 4-5-1 bollocks despite the huge amount of evidence that it doesn't bloody work. OH FOR CHRISTS SAKE! Do me a favour, don't talk about "one weakness of Fergie" because, being blunt, you haven't a fecking clue what you are talking about!!!!! One weakness. Jesus wept. Supporters like you need a reality check. Start supporting City if you honestly think Ferguson should be criticised. Or Liverpool, become one of their fair weather fans. Go on, off with you, United don't need fans that chirp when they're winning and destroy the team when they're not. It's football. Some you win, some you don't. I've followed this team for 30+ years, long before our first 'glory' title and I'd follow them in the Conference League if we were there - but one thing I will never do is level that type of bollocks at the greatest manager the British game has ever seen! You don't build the best part of 6 different title winning teams by having flaws and throwing things away. But, sometimes you can't win them all. You're talking as if the season has been a disaster and is over - it isn't. If City win it then that's exactly what they'll have done. We won't have thrown it away. We won't have lost it. They'll have won it. Titles are won, not lost and credit has to be given if they do it. But I don't think they will. Now, bugger off to Anfield with the other idiots. Edited April 30, 2012 by MrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) 8 points. 6 games to play. Nobody has ever lost it from there. But we look like we have. And yes, I will continue to slate Fergie's ****ing obsession with 4-5-1. It's the reason why we've only won 2 European Cups during his tenure - and it frustrates the hell out of me that almost every United fan I know can see that 4-5-1 doesn't work, yet we're subjected to it far too bloody often. We should have been celebrating a title win tonight - not hoping that the Geordies will do us a favour. MrMe - you sound dangerously like a Kopite yourself with that post - most of them still have blind faith in Kenny, even though the rest of us can see he's inept in the modern game. Just because a manager is successful, doesn't mean they can't have a weakness and be criticised for it. Edited April 30, 2012 by Twinspark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 City fans haven't been this happy since they were Chelsea fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 On that last point, Ferguson is the greatest manager to have ever graced the English leagues. Dalglish is and always has been f*cking sheeite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 8 points. 6 games to play. Nobody has ever lost it from there. But we look like we have.And yes, I will continue to slate Fergie's ****ing obsession with 4-5-1. It's the reason why we've only won 2 European Cups during his tenure - and it frustrates the hell out of me that almost every United fan I know can see that 4-5-1 doesn't work, yet we're subjected to it far too bloody often. We should have been celebrating a title win tonight - not hoping that the Geordies will do us a favour. MrMe - you sound dangerously like a Kopite yourself with that post - most of them still have blind faith in Kenny, even though the rest of us can see he's inept in the modern game. Just because a manager is successful, doesn't mean they can't have a weakness and be criticised for it. Oh wow. Please start supporting someone, cos' you clearly don't support United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 We should have been celebrating a title win tonight - not hoping that the Geordies will do us a favour. I'm not hoping they do us a favour. I don't need to. They are going for a Top 4 spot and they won't be looking to do anyone favours - they're just looking to get that place. If they draw or beat City, it won't be them that delivered us the title. It'll be us that won it by accumulating more points than City. It really is very simple. To say Fergie has only delivered us 2 titles is also poor. Two finals we lost were possibly against the best team ever to play the game - in their prime. We lost by a single goal tonight. Perspective. And two games to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 It's funny, and I'm sure it's not just United, but there have always been fans who are hyper critical in the heat of battle. Working in Manchester in the early 90s I remember the clamour from many of those fans to sack Fergie. But then many of them suffered from the same mentality as that f*cking tw4t Martin Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Oh wow. Please start supporting someone, cos' you clearly don't support United. Aren't United fans allowed to criticise SAF? Because he does, quite regularly, drop absolute howlers, like tonight. It has always been a mystery, that one. He is, without doubt, the best British manager of all time - but... he still does make some infuriating mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 I didn't think United were shite. In the end one single lapse separated the teams. Probably the right result on balance, but close. Man utd were shite, City showed class even after that shite red wearing shirt owner, ref allowed you leeway. So stop talking shite, stop looking through blinkers and accept the natural order. Good teams win over shite teams. SFA is undoubtedly the best ever English football manager, maybe even the world best, but feck he got it wrong tonight. Defensive, Defensive, Defensive. The stat I saw was blinkered suggesting only 60% possession in the Man Utd half, the game I watched was one sided and even the ref couldn't help you. Yaya was man of the match not Kompany, and if it hadn't been for those ex Arsenal *****, Clichy and Nasri you'd have been run through the long grass 3-0. To the rest of you Man Utd supporters, sorry you fecked up your season (and as an Arsenal supporter I know what losing feels like) but for ffs accept that tonight you lost the PL title. Better luck next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 And at 17-1 I had a good result on Kompany scoring anytime. Should have double with a header as the goal at 47-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Aren't United fans allowed to criticise SAF?Because he does, quite regularly, drop absolute howlers, like tonight. It has always been a mystery, that one. He is, without doubt, the best British manager of all time - but... he still does make some infuriating mistakes. What mistake? I swear it was Chris Smalling that made the mistake - not SAF. How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Man utd were shite, City showed class even after that shite red wearing shirt owner, ref allowed you leeway.So stop talking shite, stop looking through blinkers and accept the natural order. Good teams win over shite teams. SFA is undoubtedly the best ever English football manager, maybe even the world best, but feck he got it wrong tonight. Defensive, Defensive, Defensive. The stat I saw was blinkered suggesting only 60% possession in the Man Utd half, the game I watched was one sided and even the ref couldn't help you. Yaya was man of the match not Kompany, and if it hadn't been for those ex Arsenal *****, Clichy and Nasri you'd have been run through the long grass 3-0. To the rest of you Man Utd supporters, sorry you fecked up your season (and as an Arsenal supporter I know what losing feels like) but for ffs accept that tonight you lost the PL title. Better luck next time. But we didn't. There are 2 games to go. We were poor and City deserved the win - but it was a single defensive lapse that cost us. Not SAF. Not tactics. Just one lapse by one player in one second. I really do wonder how a manager can take the brunt of the blame for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Whatever happens in the last two games, tonight's was only going to be decisive if Utd got a result. If City do win the title, there is a long list of games Utd can look at that were more critical than losing 1-0 at the Etihad. Many will question tonight's tactics and rightly so, but they were still only one individual defensive mistake away from getting a point. City failed to make their dominance count and could easily have conceded an equaliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 ..and we've not even mentioned the blue shirt Andre had on under his black one... Fecker, I've marked his card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 MrMe, your blind faith is admirable - but 4-5-1 never bloody works. We often start with it, then fall behind, and have to chase the game with a 4-4-2 in the latter stages of the 2nd half. The team selection was wrong, the tactics were wrong - but we lost the title last weekend, by going for goal difference rather than securing the 3 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 It isn't blind faith, it is proven faith. In 25+ years SAF has taken the club from under acheivement to consistent winners. He has completely changed the structure of the club behind the scenes. He has transformed the mentality of the club and he has built multiple title winning teams, two European Cup winning teams, a treble winning team, two double winning teams, a World Club Championship winning team and the list goes on. So it isn't blind - it is backed up by facts. Yet fans like you almost got him sacked. Mark Robins prevented it. If fans like you had had their way (baying for his head in umpteen games in the build up to that Southampton win) he would have been gone. They were waiting to sack him in the boardroom after the game. Fan power has it's place, but there are hundreds of clubs across the world that will never know what could have been if they'd let a manager build the structure he needed to. If you honestly think he got it wrong tonight then I'll just give in. Player error cost us, not selection or tactics. Had it been 2-0 or more I might have agreed, but it wasn't. And once more - it isn't over and I really do think you're severely underestimating the task Manchester City have in their next game. If you want my opinion, which you probably don't but I'll give it anyway - I think they'll draw at the SportsDirect.com Arena. We will beat Swansea. We will then beat Sunderland and the 20th title will be delivered to Old Trafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Yes, he's achieved a lot. And yes, he transformed the club. But he still makes some really bloody infuriating mistakes. Even the most blinkered fans can usually admit that 4-5-1 doesn't work, that playing weak sides against the likes of Blackburn goes wrong as often as we just sneak a win. City are going to a side who have just been taken to the cleaners by Wigan, so I'm not holding my breath - especially as City now have the momentum and seemingly the desire to do this. We had 2 shots on target all match. 2 shots. That's embarrassing. We didn't even get close to pulling off a result tonight - and I lay the blame for that in the bizarre formation, selection and tactics. I've even had a Spurs fan message me to say 'what the **** was Fergie doing tonight?' He dropped a bollock - there's no defending that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 You've had a Spurs fan question what SAF did, yes? Doesn't that put an end to all the debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 Good point well made. I do think though if you had shown more ambition you would certainly have gotten a draw at least. Their defence is a little suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Why isn't there room for constructive criticism MrMe? SAF expressly said before the match that they shouldn't go on the pitch and play for a draw and play not to lose. But that's EXACTLY how they played. The first ten minutes was all ManU and should have stayed the same for 90 minutes, but he didn't. They sat back to soak up pressure and then a small(ing) mistake cost them. It reminded me of when you play Arsenal and try to catch us on the break, but there was no decent break in the first half. Half time and they should have come out guns blazing to take it to them. They didn't and I could see that they would have been happy to nick a 1-1. Where that 1 was coming from, I don't think they had a clue. No shots on target. Don't tell me you tried to win. I still think ManU will win it, though. But the next few games will be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Why isn't there room for constructive criticism MrMe? Constructive is one thing, but blaming it all on SAF is just ludicrous. One mistake from one defender, yet apparently it is tactically ridiculous. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 What if they'd scored a second that they should have in the second half? Is it then just two mistakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Surprised De Gea's involvement in the goal hasn't been mentioned. He did a marvellous job of pushing himself the wrong side of the Man City player, leaving himself out of position and struggling to get where he needed to be. Had he stood his ground, Kompany's header (which was superb, he must have jumped about 4 foot and then hung in the air) would have hit him between the eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Oh, and hahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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