stooH Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact Dammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Have to agree with stooH. And that picture is misleading, it doesn't show the full extent to which Grosjean pushed Hamilton over to the side. I'm no Hamilton fan, but I don't see how any blame can be apportioned to him whatsoever, and it would seem that the FIA agree as they haven't investigated his actions let alone punished him. How could he have backed off with Grosjeans wheel behind his front wheel? why should he go on the grass? he isn't obligated to move his car to compensate for the idiocy of another driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I think the one race ban is a tad harsh. A race ban for Spa actions combined with 7 lap one smashes in 2012 roughly translates as 'calm the funk down' in polite terms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I can see a future BBC feature with Grosjean and Pastor on the Dodgems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 The crash from all angles. (not the best quality) http://youtu.be/WUxP2tC6LXk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I dont know about you, but if I was in this position I might actually move over abit. (I was going to keep quiet, but I changed my mind) Things like that are very easy to say on the Internet, much harder to do on the track. First, you need to notice what the other guy is doing before you hear the crunching noise. This isn't always possible; you may have your attention elsewhere. See my Donnington video if you're not persuaded Second, if you do notice in time that he is about to ram you, you need to be convinced that he is going to do it regardless of whether you put up a fight or not. Holding your line is a polite way of telling another racer to feck off, and is surprisingly effective. They are (generally) as unwilling to vanish in a ball of flame as you are. If you get a reputation as being the one who always gives way if it looks like there's going to be contact, you have not only lost this race, you have lost all future races until the one after your next crash. Third, avoiding action is not always an easy option, even if you do have time to take it and you feel like doing so. See my Snetterton video... I know these guys are way, way beyond me in terms of ability and experience, but by the same chalk they are going way, way faster than I do - in the end, the principles are the same. Frankly, it's not often that things are clear-cut in racing, but this one is. Grosjean was in the wrong. Hamilton did nothing that could be criticised yet lost his opportunity to race. The penalty was (imho) quite gentle given that this has happened so often now - it should have been applied several races ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Those angles make it very clear that Grossjean actually punted Hamilton off the track, once he was on the grass he was basically a passenger, he had no chance of braking for the corner. If only he'd held it like Patently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 If only he'd held it like Patently! :roflmao::roflmao: I'll send Lewis the link, show him how it's done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 In all seriousness, and I meant to ask you this in the other thread, do you think it was luck or skill that saved you? I'm guessing a bit of a combination of both, but do you think you'd have held it a few months ago? I guess the gist of the question is, do you think you've learned a lot already from the few races you've had so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 :roflmao::roflmao: I'll send Lewis the link, show him how it's done You do have a few years on him right enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 In all seriousness, and I meant to ask you this in the other thread, do you think it was luck or skill that saved you?I'm guessing a bit of a combination of both, In all seriousness? A combination of both, as you suggest. Difficult to say what the proportions were, as I was running on pure instinct, there really wasn't time to think "ooh, left hand down a bit...". If there had been a nastier bump or an angled tyre track in the grass then I would probably have been done for. So there was a large element of luck, no question. Equally, though, I do remember losing all ability to focus on anything else, because all my attention was on controlling the car and keeping it straight while it slowed itself down and not touching the brakes. You can also see my left hand go back to the wheel and get quite busy. So I won't be my usual modest self*, yes there was some skill involved. but do you think you'd have held it a few months ago? No chance. Not a hope in hell. Then again, I wouldn't have found myself on the grass a few months ago. I probably wouldn't have caught up with him, and if I had then I probably wouldn't have noticed him swerve and there would have been a Grosjean/Hamilton moment instead of a video to be chuffed with (and a drycleaning bill). But no, had I done that at the start of the Academy, it would not have ended well I guess the gist of the question is, do you think you've learned a lot already from the few races you've had so far? Yep. The main thing I've learned is to watch out for the guy in the red car As an exercise in learning to drive well and control a car, though, I really can't recommend the Academy highly enough. *stop laughing at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Interesting that. The Daleks still destroy the Asylum though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Interesting that.The Daleks still destroy the Asylum though. Wrong thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Yes, I know. That's the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Yes, I know.That's the point. I get it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 In all seriousness? A combination of both, as you suggest. Difficult to say what the proportions were, as I was running on pure instinct, there really wasn't time to think "ooh, left hand down a bit...". If there had been a nastier bump or an angled tyre track in the grass then I would probably have been done for. So there was a large element of luck, no question. Equally, though, I do remember losing all ability to focus on anything else, because all my attention was on controlling the car and keeping it straight while it slowed itself down and not touching the brakes. You can also see my left hand go back to the wheel and get quite busy. So I won't be my usual modest self*, yes there was some skill involved. No chance. Not a hope in hell. Then again, I wouldn't have found myself on the grass a few months ago. I probably wouldn't have caught up with him, and if I had then I probably wouldn't have noticed him swerve and there would have been a Grosjean/Hamilton moment instead of a video to be chuffed with (and a drycleaning bill). But no, had I done that at the start of the Academy, it would not have ended well Yep. The main thing I've learned is to watch out for the guy in the red car As an exercise in learning to drive well and control a car, though, I really can't recommend the Academy highly enough. *stop laughing at the back Excellent, really interesting and hats off to you for going for it. I'd absolutely love to do the academy, but not having the time or money means it's unlikely to ever happen, I'd want to build my own car as you did as well as I think that's an important part of it, learning exactly what everything does, and how it all relates, I'd be willing to bet the guys who build their own cars tend to do slightly better on track too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Interesting that.Wish I could drive as well as you. efa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I'd be willing to bet the guys who build their own cars tend to do slightly better on track too. I live in hope of that coming true one day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooH Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Unlikely, Caterham have rebuilt most of your car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Unlikely, Caterham have rebuilt most of your car :roflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Can you imagine when he comes to sell it? Q: "Has it had any accident damage?" A: "Shall I book you a room for the night?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Or... Q: "Has it had any accident damage?" A: "You mean road accidents? Nope, not a scratch." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Could someone explain to me this strange concept of "selling" the car I built and raced, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Could someone explain to me this strange concept of "selling" the car I built and raced, please? Of course. At some point it'll be fiscally unreasonable to repair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 Of course. At some point it'll be fiscally unreasonable to repair That has, actually, come horribly close to being true. If I stuff it good and proper again, I'm looking at that scenario... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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