Calm Chris Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Can someone remind me who Utd play next Tuesday? (Back to earth with a bump). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Next Tuesday? They've gotta get past the Hammers before that! :D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Translated: Spurs are crap, and they know they are (and so do their fans). Exactly, poor ManU fans are still in denial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Are Bayern Munich any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Can someone remind me who Utd play next Tuesday? (Back to earth with a bump). Can anyone remind me who you play in the next round of the Champions League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Exactly, poor ManU fans are still in denial Can you remind me who you play in Europe next too? Ummm. It's okay, I've got all year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 You know... even though United have been absolutely hopeless for much of the season... I reckon this one is winnable. Bayern are getting lots of praise and adulation, but they haven't really set the Champions' League alight, with a couple of dodgy home results against English teams in particular. Yes, they're running away with the Bundesliga, but I think that's because the rest of the Bundesliga is pretty awful this season - just look at the way United tore Leverkusen apart both home and away. If they do squeeze through, then winning the trophy is a definite possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I am inclined to agree. They weren't all that against Arsenal I thought. BUT they are less likely to not capitalise on the chances Olympiakos had and does need the first team to be available for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted March 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 You know... even though United have been absolutely hopeless for much of the season... I reckon this one is winnable. Bayern are getting lots of praise and adulation, but they haven't really set the Champions' League alight, with a couple of dodgy home results against English teams in particular. Yes, they're running away with the Bundesliga, but I think that's because the rest of the Bundesliga is pretty awful this season - just look at the way United tore Leverkusen apart both home and away. If they do squeeze through, then winning the trophy is a definite possibility. Then it will be Moyes the Messiah. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 No, Luke... much as I'd love to win the trophy, I do believe it will be bad news for the long term, as it will make Moyes nigh-on untouchable. The club needs him gone... but it also needs to win the trophy to get back into the competition next season. Maybe a severe home drubbing by City will save us... Moyes gone, but still with a chance of winning the big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Getting rid now would be at utterly stupid thing to do IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 You know... even though United have been absolutely hopeless for much of the season... I reckon this one is winnable. Bayern are getting lots of praise and adulation, but they haven't really set the Champions' League alight, with a couple of dodgy home results against English teams in particular. Yes, they're running away with the Bundesliga, but I think that's because the rest of the Bundesliga is pretty awful this season - just look at the way United tore Leverkusen apart both home and away. If they do squeeze through, then winning the trophy is a definite possibility. See, denial You'll get battered by Bayern. And then in the second leg they'll batter you again because they'll remember THAT final. ManU vs. Atletico would have been an interesting tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I blame the internet. The unlimited freedom to express opinion has brought about the all encompassing need to legitimise that opinion. What people say on the internet matters more to them than almost anything. We have reached the point where so called football fans actively want their team to lose just so the bullsh!t they've spouted on the internet can be proved to be right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 You know what I hate... the Moyes apologists who started off the season with 'we'll be in contention', then downgraded it to 'top 4, definitely', then 'well, it's a season of rebuilding - if we get top 4 it's a bonus' and now it's 'top 6, that's OK - we're in transition'. It's not OK, and I'm sure neither SAF or the board were prepared for it being as bad as it is - we don't know what's in his contract, but I can only hope that there's an 'outside of the top 4' clause in there, as that would be a more than realistic expectation for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I'm not a whole hearted United fan, as you probably know, but they've always been my Premiership team so maybe my view counts for something. I saw Moyes as the natural long term successor. Someone who could pick up from Ferguson and operate in a similar way. So I backed his appointment. As for my expectations for this season, I didn't have any. I wrote it off. Because I could see the extent of the rebuilding job necessary, added to the intangible element that goes with following a legend. At the beginning of the season I saw top four as a huge bonus, not a basic requirement. Ferguson may have worked wonders to win what he did in the past two or three seasons, but he made the job of his successor infinitely more difficult by failing to strengthen in several key areas. Add to that the age and diminishing influence of other key players and you realise he knew exactly what he was doing by retiring when he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) You know what I hate... the Moyes apologists who started off the season with 'we'll be in contention', then downgraded it to 'top 4, definitely', then 'well, it's a season of rebuilding - if we get top 4 it's a bonus' and now it's 'top 6, that's OK - we're in transition'. It's not OK, and I'm sure neither SAF or the board were prepared for it being as bad as it is - we don't know what's in his contract, but I can only hope that there's an 'outside of the top 4' clause in there, as that would be a more than realistic expectation for the club. Why are you bothered? To call yourself as United supporter is tantamount to fraud! For what it is worth, I've only just seen the draw. I think we'll get absolutely battered. But I'll tell you what....we won't be as embarassing as Arsenal were - because we'll give it a go and exit with pride. That will be enough for me. Edited March 21, 2014 by NewNiceMrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Ferguson may have worked wonders to win what he did in the past two or three seasons, but he made the job of his successor infinitely more difficult by failing to strengthen in several key areas. Add to that the age and diminishing influence of other key players and you realise he knew exactly what he was doing by retiring when he did. Ask yourself these 2 questions: 1. Would this side be languishing mid table if Jose was manager - or would they be challenging for the title? 2. Would any other club tolerate winning the title at a canter last season only to drop to 7th / 8th this season, without taking action? My view is someone like Jose would have the club within a handful of points of the title, if not actually winning it - and that any other club in Europe would have sacked a manager for such an inept performance this season. There's a trend to re-write history amongst the Moyes supporters - that Fergie is to blame, it's the players that are too old, can't be bothered, or are just shit... it completely baffles me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I was with you until you said "with pride" wtf have United done this season to warrant any deceleration of pride??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) 1. Entirely hypothetical, although we all know it was the job Maureen really wanted. Honestly, I think he may well have been more successful in the two transfer windows and would be doing better in the league - maybe 4th. However, one thing we know for certain with Maureen is how things would work out. He'd be there for two seasons, three at a push. He'd more than likely win some silverware. But then he'd be off to his next project and would leave the club in a worse state than it is now. Where does that leave us? Either you're a short termist who insists on "success" every season at all costs, or you're willing to take a longer view and allow someone the time to build a new dynasty. Whatever your view on Moyes, Maureen is the wrong man for the latter. 2. The clubs with sensible, experienced boards would if they could see a long term vision being carried through. But they would also not be scared to act if they realised they had made a mistake. It's not about re-writing history. It's about not blaming Moyes for all kinds of stuff that blatantly isn't his fault simply to justify your own view that he was the wrong appointment. Edited March 21, 2014 by garcon magnifique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I blame the internet. The unlimited freedom to express opinion has brought about the all encompassing need to legitimise that opinion. What people say on the internet matters more to them than almost anything. We have reached the point where so called football fans actively want their team to lose just so the bullsh!t they've spouted on the internet can be proved to be right. To be fair, I want to see Pardew cage fighting. Not because i want him sacked, just because I want to see just how tasty he is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Pride? Your being a tad cheeky there aren't you? Is that the same pride the Man Utd team have shown all season, failing to be competitive in just about every competition? I'll be supporting all English teams in the CL and I do hope you get one over on the cheating Robben. I suspect that over the two games he will be worth a penalty or two for a play dive and likely you being down to 10 men in a first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 So, it's perfectly acceptable to take the champions, spend £60m on players, plus inherit some talented youth... and take them to 8th? Even when the promised rebuilding and long term change is very obviously not happening? Maureen was very obviously the answer - would he be short term? - no idea. Possibly - but then he aspires to be a Fergie-like manager, so maybe he'd have hung around to build something. But if he didn't... it wouldn't be so bad, as the next man in would't have had the Fergie legacy hanging over him. I could just about accept falling from the top 4 IF there were signs of change for the better - Rodgers may not have been an initial success at Liverpool, but you could see his philosophy coming into play - a more dynamic and attacking game was being played. But with Moyes, you just don't see that. Mid week, it was about the players wanting to win for the fans - and knowing there was nothing to lose in going for it. But then at 3-0 the Moyes caution started to show, trying to shut up shop, rather than go for the jugular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Anything you say means nothing. You willed the manager to fail before a ball had been kicked. Plain, simple, fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 (edited) Wrong appointment from before a ball was kicked. Always believed that and still believe the long term future of the club is reliant on him being replaced. There is nothing wrong with that stance at all. I support the club, not transient staff. Edited March 21, 2014 by Twinspark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 You support your own belief. Not the club. To say you support the club is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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