Twinspark Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 Well, he has his Harvard lecturing job lined up... but it may well be for the best if he does mostly stay away in the future. Nothing worse than such a giant of the game looking down on you at every match. That mistake was made with Sir Matt - and look how badly that went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) MrMe and Garcon will point to the forums as being nonsense, filled with kids and giving a voice to idiots - but they're still a barometer of opinion and whilst RedCafe were neutral at the start of the season, the balance has tipped in favour of dismissal now. Oh please. 99% of RedCafe members have never even been to Manchester, never mind Old Trafford. Jesus wept, I can't believe you actually said that. Oh and yes, the forums ARE filled with kids. Edited April 21, 2014 by NewNiceMrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Well, he has his Harvard lecturing job lined up... but it may well be for the best if he does mostly stay away in the future. Nothing worse than such a giant of the game looking down on you at every match. That mistake was made with Sir Matt - and look how badly that went. Eh? Sir Matt came back in a caretaker role for 6 months and when SAF took over over from Ron Atkinson he credits Busby as being instrumental in his success!!!! I really do wonder if you're the age you say you are or just 17 at times. How can you possibly not know this type of stuff? Edited April 21, 2014 by NewNiceMrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted April 21, 2014 Report Share Posted April 21, 2014 And how long after Sir Matt retired was it that Big Ron was appointed? How many managers and years of failure had there been in-between? It's largely acknowledged that it was a bloody big mistake having Sir Matt looking down on his replacement(s). Even bigger mistake was him coming back to 'rescue' things. Letting SAF pick a successor, letting him sit there, casting judgement on the situation, watching over every move. Bad idea. Now, onto the forums. Is everyone here (who you haven't met face to face) also a child? Serious question, as you can't just dismiss a forum like that without some kind of evidence or proof - as there are many posters on there who have been attending matches since before i was born. if you want a forum full of nut-jobs... you want Red Issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8CKN Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 So...who's next for Utd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 It'll be Klopp, Van Gaal or Simeone. Giggs is set to be announced as interim manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8CKN Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Who do you think would be suitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 My prediction from the 2011/2012 season thread: I'll start it off.Firstly, I think Liverpool will win the title. I've always been ahead of my time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 With the loss of Champions League income, maybe only employing a manager for 9 months out of every 12 is a cost-cutting exercise? Very shrewd. What a farce, from the club who likes to lecture others on stability and standing by your manager. Laughing stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted April 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Utd, more managers than Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Oh I dunno. I think the fact Pardew is still at Newcastle is, if anything, slightly funnier. TwinSpark, save us the rhetoric. Everybody knows "It's widely acknowledged that..." is internet forum bollocks for "I think..." Football fans have short memories. I would imagine the majority will accept the decision, all be it many of them reluctantly because of the mocking it will generate. In some ways I'm afraid Moyes hasn't helped his own situation. From the off he appeared to the tv and press media to be struggling to come to terms with the sheer size of the job. To succeed he had to be himself, but we never really saw the Everton Moyes. I still believe he was the right choice at the time. I still think it was the right thing to do to buck the trend of going to the continent for a top level manager - we have coaching and management talent in the UK that doesn't get a look in because of the continental influx. However sometimes in football the right choice doesn't work out. There needed to be more signs that he was getting to grips with the role, there needed to be better performances at Old Trafford. And if there really was a minimum performance criteria of 4th place then the board need sacking too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 David Moyes has conducted himself with the utmost integrity and honesty. I think the fact the announcement mentions this is telling. In some respects, he has been too honest. Here's my overall view on what has happened... Woodward is to blame. Moyes is the fall guy for a summer of abject transfer activity and farce. David Gill would not have allowed it to happen. Moyes didn't help himself with a very apparent 'caught in the headlights' look when he first arrived. He had started to toughen, but he still wasn't the feisty and easily irritated man he was when interviewed at Everton. He should have bitten much more and much harder in the face of criticism. He didn't establish himself as a man of authority and he was far too media friendly. His tactics have frustrated me at times but he has been working with players who, frankly, have let him down badly. I do wonder how many of them are suffering a Ferguson Hangover and simply need a good kicking. Whoever comes in is going to need to do that. The club has disappointed me massively with his dismissal. It should not be the United way and I am gutted we have given in to the mass ranks of supposed supporters who are the perfect example of glory hunters. David Moyes hasn't helped himself but the guy needed much more time and Ed Woodward should be removed as Chief Executive. For me, Woodward has shown he cannot hold a position of such importance and his failings last summer are something he should be held accountable for. Managers identify targets - Chief Executives go and get them. Or, in the case of Woodward, they don't and they create a total circus of activity. Ryan Giggs may be a shrewd caretaker appointment. If we win our remaining games I won't be surprised if they keep him. I don't think we'll get Jurgen Klopp. I foresee the club appointing Louis Van Gaal. He'd get my support regardless, but I am skeptical of him being the right man for the job. Who else would want it? We've shown we don't do what we preach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Klopp already appears to have ruled himself out, certainly for the period of his contract. Van Gaal would be the kind of short termist appointment I would expect of Chelsea or Real Madrid. If he does get the job then we may as well have gone for Maureen in the first place. I am not a fan of appointing someone like Giggs permanently. At least not yet. He may be one of the very greatest United legends as a player, he may have seen the size of the club and the unique pressure first hand throughout his playing career, but I'm a strong believer that a manager needs to cut his teeth in the lower leagues and build the breadth of experience that will sustain a long and successful career. I know there are a few successful examples out there but I just don't think it's the best approach. One fan phoned in to Radio Five last night and said it had to be people who truly understood the club. A management team of Cantona and Keane. We can, I hope, be reasonably confident that won't be happening... My Everton supporting brother in law has just ruled out a swap for Martinez. Edited April 22, 2014 by garcon magnifique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Interesting viewing this morning, with a huge array of varied observations. I am not a Footie fan but I do sense that Moyes has been done over. It's a bad situation for Premiership Football as a whole and adds negative build up to the summer World Cup. All things aside, it's only Football and in reality other things matter more in this world - hundreds died innocently on a plane over the Indian Ocean, a realm of school children are victims of a ferry inadvertently sinking and thousands are still homeless in the UK, following the horrific winter floods. I think the UK media and footie fans as a whole need to recallibrate their moral compass - instead of watching any football this weekend, take your family out for a lovely lunch and nurture what should be important. This is Football in the spotlight, something good may come of it but I sense not!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Utd, more managers than Spurs. Comedy series The David Moyes Show axed after just one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think the UK media and footie fans as a whole need to recallibrate their moral compass - instead of watching any football this weekend, take your family out for a lovely lunch and nurture what should be important. This is Football in the spotlight, something good may come of it but I sense not!!!! Why? Being a fan of football doesn't mean emotions towards more important issues are ignored. They're not. It is one of the worlds biggest football clubs. It is bigger than most companies. It is a global brand followed by millions. It is, therefore, headline news. It is also now much more than a 'game'. It's a business, across the world, and unfortunately that's one of the reasons it is in the predicament it is in many respects. I just don't subscribe to the 'more important things in life' argument. So let's stop talking about cars, cyclists, home, work, whatever. It is a major talking point when any manager leaves a football club, especially one of the size of United. To say we should be talking about something else is just missing the point entirely. (No offence!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Interesting that much of the noise on the internet seems to be coming from City and Newcastle fans. Obviously taking the opportunity to forget about their own woes for a day or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Not on this thread its not.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 You concentrate on preparing to celebrate. Who knows, it might be your only chance for another twenty odd years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Right back atchaa. That being said I don't think it is straightforward. We need 7 points from 3 games and Chelsea will be tough as will Palace away. That being said City also have Palace away and Everton away and basically the number of points we needs drops by the number of points they drop in their next 4 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Yes, Klopp has already ruled himself out with a statement reasserting his commitment to Dortmund. All the bookmakers are going 6/4 or similar on Louis Van Gaal, making him the out and out favourite by quite a margin. He has also already said he will step down as the Dutch national team manager after the World Cup. That won't be the best start - because the club will have to wait until July, again. What time does that give for transfers and pre-season training of a heavily changed squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 It'll be Klopp, Van Gaal or Simeone. Giggs is set to be announced as interim manager. Klopp was apparently nailed on in November and so you almost wonder if it was silly to have lost out on him by not acting sooner but you are where you are I guess. He has a reputation for never breaking a contract, Simeone I would have thought was unlikely. Leaves Van Gaal. Who was it Spurs had tapped up to replace Sherwood? Wouldn't surprise me to see Moyes at White Heart Lane next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 A Spurs friend has already said, "I am very upset by this. It fills me with fear." The Daily Telegraph claims United are making 'discreet' enquiries as to Guardiola's possible availability. I really hope we aren't about to see the same farce played out in pursuit of a manager that we saw last summer in the pursuit of players. Everyone will be laughing at United if that's the case, and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8CKN Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 I really hope we aren't about to see the same farce played out in pursuit of a manager that we saw last summer in the pursuit of players. Everyone will be laughing at United if that's the case, and rightly so. You think people will have stopped laughing at Utd by summer? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 22, 2014 Report Share Posted April 22, 2014 Klopp was apparently nailed on in November and so you almost wonder if it was silly to have lost out on him by not acting sooner but you are where you are I guess. He has a reputation for never breaking a contract, Simeone I would have thought was unlikely. Leaves Van Gaal. Who was it Spurs had tapped up to replace Sherwood? Wouldn't surprise me to see Moyes at White Heart Lane next season I don't know where the "Klopp nailed on" has come from because that has never been my reading of it. He has always said he is committed to Dortmund. He was always someone a lot of fans seemed to say would be next in but I just cannot see where that comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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