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I don't have a problem with him getting the job. I just feel as a country, we can do much better by looking outside the box. 

Question, and I'm asking this from one of the angles I'm looking at it from out of curiosity. Would you be happy with him managing ManUtd?

Yes I know club football is different but he is cut from the same cloth and is where all his experience comes from. 

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So who would you appoint?

All the very best managers will stay in domestic football until their last hurrah - such as Jose when he'll get the Portugal job.

I wouldn't want him as United manager because they have better options.  England don't.  We're shit and shit doesn't attract the very best.

I think Sam is the best there was available.

This is a guy who has saved countless clubs and never been relegated.  I think it is very easy to dismiss what he did at Sunderland last year.  They were down.  They were 1/3 ON to be relegated.  What he did with the change in tactics and man motivation was staggering.  His words about how he got Defoe scoring also prove he isn't just a long ball coach with a big lumbering target man up front.

I also think he deserves the opportunity of getting the job because he should have got it instead of McClaren (and Capello in my opinion).

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Funny you should ask who I would appoint as to be honest, I never had anyone in mind.

I was thinking more along the lines of surely there are better managers out there we can woo to get the job. That's just my thinking.

I've said I don't have a problem with him getting the job. I really don't but feel we can do better. That is not to say I'm belittling any of his achievements whatsoever either but do I think we could win anything with him in charge? I wouldn't put my house on it.

I want England to go in to tournaments with the sole aim of winning, not participating, or at least trying their hardest to with us the fans knowing at least we have a good team that try and have the potential to win.

Yes we are shit as a team right now but from all the players we see day in day out in all the different leagues up and down the country, I refuse to believe we don't have 11 decent team players who can make a good team given the right direction and football style we need to perform well out there. With that in mind and from what I've seen of Sam Allardyce's teams of the past. Will that make them that team full of possible achievements I want? I doubt it 

 

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With the current crop of players I don't think anyone could win a tournament as England manager.  However, he does have the opportunity to bring some very, very good U19 players through (the bunch that got to the semi finals of the U19 Euro 2016 tournament).

I think the crux of it is this - we'd have done better at the last 4 major tournaments with Sam in charge in my opinion.

I have said in the past that I don't think we'll see an England team win a major trophy in the next 30 years.  The game has changed and we haven't.  That blame lies with the FA and not the Premier League.  The structure, the training, even St Georges Park, is all to blame.  The new technical facility is world leading but the words of Chris Waddle resonate with me.  World beaters player on the streets with coats as goalposts and an appetite to win.  They don't get dragged into luxurious surroundings and treated like heroes aged 9.

 

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Maybe we would have done better with him in charge in the past. Well he would have undoubtedly with the Roy Hodgson farce, that I can agree with totally.+++

Also, I agree with you on the bit about Chris Waddle.

I played football for many of my formative years (for fun on the streets and parks mind you) and my style was mostly always about the skill. Beating one or two players at once which was fun as I enjoyed doing that, Didn't always come off though but that's football :grin:

Unfortunately when you get to higher football levels, this is not encouraged, and you're conditioned to play football to a strict style. I'm not saying this was bad but it stifles talent. Also what you get from that in combination with the pampered 9 year old heroes you mention is unfortunately what produces what we end up with today. Top level footballers who are good but not great

We produce quite a lot of top level footballers but not enough skillful ones regularly enough like the Gascoignes, Waddles, Gerrards etc, such that when we do, we just marvel at them. Other countries produce players like this quite often so why can't we?

The game has changed as you say, we haven't. We just tend to think we have by living, playing on and relying on our past glory.

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I think we've produced more of the type you mentioned but only one Gascoigne.  That's the issue.

Waddle, Beardsley, Barnes, Gerrard, Beckham, all excellent players - but none of them anywhere near Gascoigne.

The problem isn't their skill or technical ability in my opinion, it is how they're told to play for England.  I firmly believe we've lost all sense of creative play through a fear of losing.  Sir Bobby Robson was the last guy to really tell a team to go for it and we ended up in a World Cup semi-final.  Venables got close in Euro 96 but we were always going to be outclassed by a very good German team.

I think too many manager have been too afraid to make big changes and I don't think Allardyce will be.

Rooney?  Tell him his time is over.

Hart?  Sorry mate, not good enough. 

Kane?  Sort your act out or you'll be dropped.  His performance in the Euro's was embarassing, more than almost any other player in my opinion.  His over hit crosses were laughable. 
Give Drinkwater the place he deserved.  Tell Dier inconsistency is not an option in the national team.  Play Rashford.  Tell Smalling he needs be responsible and marshal the defence better.  So many things.  I think he'll do it without much fear and I also think he'll encourage a positive siege mentality that the Italians always thrive on.

He does need to look to the U19's though.  The talent is there.

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I'm away this weekend but my neighbour said that Mahrez's i8 arrived this evening. His brother drove it back from the ground as he is still banned!! He still has Kante's Mini on his drive!! 

The owners promised them all a B Class Merc when we won the league. I thought that was a very odd choice. Someone obviously had a word. 

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9 hours ago, Cuprabob said:

That'll make for interesting viewing when they're all parked in the training ground car park. 

Swap a few number plates over for maximum confusion :)

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Finally the transfer saga of the summer seems to have come to an end and Man U look set to sign their man. 

47 year old Italien  Mino Raiola will add experience to the Utd squad and could be vital in the big matches ahead. It's not clear where Mourinho intends to play the new £20m man or what squad number he will be given. 

Raiola (Paul Pogbas agent) is said to be delighted with his move. 'I'm delighted' explained Mino. 

As part of the deal Paul Pogba also joins the Red Devils. 

 

 

 

Anyone watching the Arsenal v City game on ITV. Alexis Sanchez looks massively overweight. He has certainly enjoyed his close season. 

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Funny.

Bearing in mind Mourinho didn't even feel the need to play Mykhtaryan yesterday and that Pogba will replace that useless **** Fellaini in midfield, it looks promising right now.

Dispensed with the league champions with relative ease (had it not been for Fellaini they'd not have scored anyway) and Ibrahimovic showed that he may well have 2-3 seasons left in him yet.

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I think the pressure is really on Utd this season, probably more so than at anytime post SAF. Moyes would have been forgiven a 2nd 3rd or even 4th place finish and LVG would still have been in a job had they qualified for the CL.

Leicester were absolutely magnificent last season but that won't happen again and Chelsea and City have new managers with zero experience of the league and its demands. Liverpool and Arsenal are far too inconsistent to win the thing and Spurs haven't really strengthened with proven quality. 

Utd would have been my favourites with Jose at the helm of a maturing squad and that was before he was given an open chequebook. They must be odds on now to steamroll this league. 

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Lots of pressure on United but I think you can already see the gloom has lifted.

The pressure is also on Guardiola. 

Mr Miracle.....or is he? 

I don't really disagree with any of your comments other than the last one.  I don't think anyone will run away with the league. 

I can see City, United and Chelsea fighting for it - but I also think Liverpool will get top 4.  I think Arsenal will struggle and I'm not just saying that because I don't like the club.  I just cannot see how Wenger thinks he's done enough.

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We have Theo

 

:roflmao::roflmao:

 

 

I think there going to be a top 6-8 teams this year. I can see Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool all doing damage.

A few seasons back it was the same old faces, this year there are more teams that can hurt the unlimited budget teams and I see dropped points for all.

 

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