Torino101 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 So are the smaller clubs in the PL improving dramatically or are has the standard of the top clubs diminished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 PL is pretty average compared to German and Spanish leagues, I'd say. It's just brilliant to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 You've got to be kidding. The quality of most teams in the PL is far superior. In Germany and Spain you have 3-4 that are almost guaranteed wins - in the PL the quality is much more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Top 4 has stayed pretty consistent in the PL for a while though. City have come in of late with the money and so that changed it. This season has been the biggest change of form, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) Sir Alex Ferguson was at Perth today watching the St Johnstone playing Aberdeen. It would seem that 50 years ago, while playing for St Johnstone he scored a hat trick against Rangers and his connection to Aberdeen needs no explanation. Ironically, he left 15 mins before the end of the game. It would seem in retirement the games can't finish quick enough:-) You know if you are replaced, even if you pick your replacement, you hope you will be missed and that your replacement doesn't do as well. Edited December 7, 2013 by Cuprabob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Good win for Spurs. Sunderland should have had a pen but we hit the post twice and should have had a hat full of goals anyway. Closes up the race for 4th with a few losing and drawing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Important game for Arsenal, but the pressure is slightly lessened. Martinez has a good record v Arsenal with Wigan so will be a good match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Should be a good game. Everton have been playing well. And Sunday 4pm footy on tv is lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Been out most of the day. Can't wait to see the real United batter the Geordies on MOTD later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Honest question to Man Utd fans. If Utd don't make top 4 do you think Moyes will get the sack. And will he deserve it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I suppose it depends on whether they finish 5th or 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 5th? April Fool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 He deserves the sack right now. In the modern era, you can't afford to wait to see if he can scrape into 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) Honest question to Man Utd fans. If Utd don't make top 4 do you think Moyes will get the sack. And will he deserve it? Of course he won't deserve it. If they get relegated then perhaps he'll need to go, but that isn't going to happen. He won't get sacked anyway. If they do, they're idiots. The man needs the time to build his team. I don't think he has been helped by the lack of proactivity from Woodward but I expect that to get resolved soon. All this talk of him getting the sack is nothing short of ridiculous (and propagated by idiots). Edited December 7, 2013 by NewNiceMrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 You're defending the indefensible now. Champions at a canter to mid table. That cannot be tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I'm not. I'm being a supporter. You should try it one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 Supporting the downfall of the club? Can't say I sign up to that. He is our Souness and needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) Trying to look at it objectively rather than as a fan (plastic or otherwise...) There were so many doubts raised about the strength of United's squad at the beginning of last season you could barely hear yourself think. In the end, the title was won for three reasons: 1. Ferguson's unrivalled will to win and his ability to instill that into the players. 2. The unbelievably good fortune of getting an injury free season out of Van Persie. His goals were the difference. Period. 3. The catastrophic failure of every other potential contender. This season those three factors are gone and the relative weakness of the squad has been ruthlessly exposed. The summer transfer window was an unmitigated disaster. Some will choose to blame Moyes for that, others have a better understanding of how a club like United operates. Besides, it wasn't Souness who ruined Liverpool. He merely accelerated the demise that began under Dalglish. In fact if United had appointed Mourinho (and we all know that was the job he really wanted) I would contend that Mourinho could have been United's Dalglish. Edited December 7, 2013 by garcon magnifique 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 That's quite a run 9 games unbeaten, but I'm glad you acknowledge a class opponent as the game you lose I see some people are psychic, Mrme got it spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 There appear to be 2 camps here. Those who want to blame Sir Alex for leaving a poor side and those who believe the side is good enough for a top 4 regardless of the Fergie effect. I'm in the latter camp and Moyes is the weak link. The transfer window was a joke, now Moyes may not be 100% to blame, but he is to blame for spending £28m on sideshow bob. He's lost the dressing room, there are rumours of an RvP transfer request, and he's getting worse, not better. He has also now said he didn't sub. RvP today as planned as he was worried what people would say. Can you imagine any other top manager saying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I have to admit his post-match interview today was rather defeatist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I'm not a United fan but I just don't see Moyes as the manager the club needs somehow. He doesn't seem to have the fire of or the passion of the best managers and you need plenty of both if you are going to get any side to the top of the Premiership. SAF could laugh, attack and motivate in the same sentence something that Moyes just doesn't seem to have that, few managers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 It's not Moyes' fault this team is sh1t, but he's not doing a good job of turning it around or making the most of what he's got. I think we'll see some action in January and then see what he can do to turn it around for the end of the season. If they finish in a Europa league place he'll still have a job. Lower, and I think Fergie might admit he got something wrong, they'll make a new appointment along with £100m of new players. I think they'll be patient with Moyes. This squad is full of mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 This squad, minus the ginger wizard but plus sideshow bob, won the title easily last season. No matter what the failures elsewhere, they racked up 89 points, which is enough to almost guarantee the title any year... And they took their foot off the gas and dropped points once it was won. If a manager can't get exactly the same side comfortably into the top 4 (and he shows no signs of this), then he has fallen spectacularly short of expectations. I'm sick of seeing excuses for his failures, and sick of seeing those who claim to be the real supporters trying to blame Ferguson for leaving behind a poor squad. Poor squads don't rack up 89 points in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 How on earth can you be sick of seeing excuses when we're not even half way through a season? Just what planet do you live on? It is tantamount to lunacy. The last time we lost 2 home games in a row was in 2002. Who was the manager then? The same types of fans as you were asking for Ferguson's head then as well. You don't like Moyes. We get that. So change the record and start telling me what another manager would do differently? Kagawa, your love-child, wasn't playing under Sir Alex. When he has played under Moyes he has been abject to disappointing. He's had one good game. RVP has been injured. Rooney is suspended. Vidic has been injured. Our midfield needs sorting out but so what? We couldn't get the signings we wanted in the summer but I'd rather settle and wait than do a City or Chelsea and pay ridiculous amounts of money for players. They tried to get Bale (a ridiculous amount of money, ironically) but his heart was set on Madrid. There's nothing Moyes, Ferguson or God could have done about that. Fellaini is disappointing. Guess what? It took a full season for Schmeichel, Pallister and Ronaldo to start to get settled. It happens. You simply want immediate success and you're willing the team to fail in order to satisfy a personal gripe, of whatever origin, against Moyes. Fans like you don't help the club at all. Do you really think someone else would be in a position to do a great deal more? I don't. I'll say it one last time - we have lost the greatest manager of all time and Moyes needs applauding for deciding to follow in his footsteps. It is a poison chalice and I for one respect him immensely for doing so. You talk of Moyes wrecking the club and putting us into a Liverpool-like decline. He's not - fans like you will do though, given the chance. How easy some people forget that it takes time to build a regime and a legacy. Your posts on a number of subjects appear to be of a nature where you like to be seen to criticise everyone and anything, show no sympathy or empathy for anyone and generally adopt a style of slamming the entire world. Everyone is bad, or criminal, or guilty, or shite. Do you have a good word to say about anything or anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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