Luke Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Redknapp will never go to West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 The thing is, Sam's selection against Forest was only going to be forgiveable (by the fans) if a better 11 at least made an effort against City. They're not daft enough to expect to win, but they do expect their players to earn their wage. This hasn't just been these last two cup games - the slide in the Premiership has been alarming, and I honestly don't think the return of the lame ponytail will make any difference to that. The fans have had enough of Sam, his tactics and his players. The level of abuse Nolan gets from his own support says it all - Nolan is effectively Sam's 'presence' on the field, and his relationship with the fans has completely broken down. Who would replace him? They could do worse than Malky Mackay funnily enough. Not sure Steve Clarke would want it but he's much more in line with the West Ham tradition. I hate it when 'sack the manager' is the default cry, but sometimes it's the right one. I really don't know what's gone wrong for Sam at West Ham but gone wrong it has. He looks more like Mike Bassett every time he appears on telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Consistently bugger things up over a 6 - 12 month period, with sales performance 20% down on last year? - I'd be getting a P45. This is where Moyes is right now. What? Eh? Umm? The season is 4 months old. United are 5 points off a Champions League place. They're in the second phase of the Champions League and won their group without defeat. They're in the semi-finals of a domestic cup competition. Disaster. What about the 4-5 years Ferguson had to build a team? What about the years we won nothing? What about the 1-6 home defeat to City? Madness, absolutely madness. If everyone had your attitude United, and other clubs, would fall into wreck and ruin. I've seen this before. Everyone is crap but the moment you have an issue yourself...there is a good reason for it. It is lunacy. Football needs to learn. Sacking a manager when times get tough rarely works. There are hundreds of examples of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) The thing is, Sam's selection against Forest was only going to be forgiveable (by the fans) if a better 11 at least made an effort against City. They're not daft enough to expect to win, but they do expect their players to earn their wage. This hasn't just been these last two cup games - the slide in the Premiership has been alarming, and I honestly don't think the return of the lame ponytail will make any difference to that. The fans have had enough of Sam, his tactics and his players. The level of abuse Nolan gets from his own support says it all - Nolan is effectively Sam's 'presence' on the field, and his relationship with the fans has completely broken down. Who would replace him? They could do worse than Malky Mackay funnily enough. Not sure Steve Clarke would want it but he's much more in line with the West Ham tradition. I hate it when 'sack the manager' is the default cry, but sometimes it's the right one. I really don't know what's gone wrong for Sam at West Ham but gone wrong it has. He looks more like Mike Bassett every time he appears on telly. I think he can turn it around. I hope they stick by their word and allow him to try to do so. There aren't many managers in the game with the experience Allardyce has. Whilst I don't particularly like the guy, I do think he holds his hands up when things have gone wrong and he gets down to resolving the problems. If they sack him, I think they'll go down. If they stick with him, I think they'll survive. Edited January 9, 2014 by NewNiceMrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I wish people would stop comparing Moyes with the early Fergie years! Moyes has inherited the English Champions. Fergie was lucky to find 11 players sober enough to kick a ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I wish people would stop harping on about the need to sack a new manager when they started doing so before a ball was even kicked.... We were talking about WHU. You turned it to Manchester United. You are obsessed with his departure rather than providing any support whatsoever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I think he can turn it around. I hope they stick by their word and allow him to try to do so. There aren't many managers in the game with the experience Allardyce has. Whilst I don't particularly like the guy, I do think he holds his hands up when things have gone wrong and he gets down to resolving the problems. If they sack him, I think they'll go down. If they stick with him, I think they'll survive. The owners are not the kind to make a rash decision. If they stick by him I hope their faith is rewarded. If they don't, we know they felt there was no option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) That stadium move is looking more ridiculous by the hour. Edited January 9, 2014 by Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Jealous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 No way! Stratford is more of a poo hole than Tottenham. And it's, er not in Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 That's a point. How many London teams will be left who actually play where their name suggests? Half of them aren't even on the right side of the river! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 White Hart Lane. The worst 'big' club stadium in the UK, by an absolute mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Depends on your definition of big club I suppose. WHL is a pain in the arse to get to on a match day but I quite like it. I'll tell you what used to be the worst major football stadium in the UK, by an absolute mile. Old Wembley. Utter fúcking sh!thole in every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) WHL is pretty dreadful from a facilities point of view. Toilets, food and drink outlets and access are all shocking. But it really is a great atmosphere when the whistle blows. Edited January 9, 2014 by Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Agree on Old Wembley, what a dump. You needed a telescope to see the players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 The old Wembley had a fantastic atmosphere though. It stunk of urine, was falling apart (even in the 70's) and was desperately (and embarassingly) poorly maintained and behind the times - but I still think it had a lot more about it than the new Wembley. The arch doesn't quite do it for me. The stadium is state of the art, without doubt, but football is about atmosphere. Highfield Road was one of the worst I ever went to but is beaten by Kenilworth Road. The latter is easily in one of the most awful areas I've ever been to and had (no idea if it still has, but I've no reason to think otherwise) a bizarre entrance. I lost a £10 note at Kenilworth Road too. That was a lot of money to me back them (I was about 15 or something like that) and I half expected them to rebuild the stadium on that budget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 That stadium move is looking more ridiculous by the hour. If you look at the numbers it's far from ridiculous for West Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 True, Scotty. But it'll be a bit quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Fifty-odd thousand seater, from what I've read. The prices those tickets will have to go for, I might get a season ticket for a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) To watch first division? Edited January 9, 2014 by Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 To watch first division? They play the funniest football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 To watch first division? Kenilworth Road? I remember when Luton Town were a first division team & that WAS the top division! With their plastic pitch. That plastic pitch brought in a lot of money from all year round hockey (international hockey too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted January 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I played on that plastic pitch once. Bloody awful. The ball bounced up to the clouds and my legs were burnt like you wouldn't believe. Dreadful. We looked at an insurance job, just by the entrance the other week. It hasn't improved. Tbh I don't know how it stands up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 You should have tried the plastic pitch at Oldham. The actual astroturf was a better version, but it still bounced like mad. And it was on a 12 foot slope from goal to goal. And it's always windy. Luton Town's owner in that era (late 80s/early 90s) has a lot to answer for. He implemented the proposed 'members only' scheme and barred away fans for a while. And it was the first ground I went to with upvc windowed 'executive' boxes at pitch level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Ah that brings back memories. The ID scheme. Evans. Brilliant way to make your own fans and everyone else in football hate you. He was, of course, a Tory MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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