Waylander Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 There is nothing funnier, nor indeed more desperate, than watching people argue over who's the biggest fan of their club. I was born and brought up in (Greater ) Manchester, lived my first years within spitting distance of Newton Heath, and I still live within the Manchester conurbation, less than ten miles from Old Trafford. Surely that makes me the biggest United fan of all? (Oh, and I've actually been to matches within the past decade...) NO you bloody don't - you live in Cheshireville : which admittedly it where most of the United players live. AND you support a team down t'motorway just in the opposite direction to the motorway route I take for mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) It might be Cheshireville but it's still part of the Mancunian sprawl (just) and it's definitely nearer than Welsh Wales and Geordieland. And Old Trafford is my nearest football league ground (since the demise of Stockport and Macclesfield ). However, I was genuinely born 100 yards away from the ground of the only team I've ever been a real (season ticket holding) supporter of. So there. Edited March 26, 2014 by garcon magnifique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torino101 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 This fan justification is pretty pathetic guys. It's bordering on my dad is bigger than your dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) I've not got drawn into it beyond saying I'm a fan and could back that up through my travels in the past. I'm not even going to give merit or time to answering the 'where were you born' lark, because those that know me, know. Even if I'd not been born there, I'm not sure how that has anything to do with a level of support for a club! Take the guy from Norway who has supported Middlesbrough from birth and flies over to every home match! Just because he's not from there does that make him any less of a fan, or perhaps, as the club has recognised formally by awarding him a free season ticket for life, their biggest fan? I've said what matters and I stick by it. The test of a fan is in their loyalty to a club, and support for its trials and tribulations, when all is not going well. On that alone TwinSpark, that makes you the very opposite of what any fan could be. Even worse though, you'd started your complaining before a ball had been kicked. You're wasting your breath anyway. The club will stand by their appointment and all your screaming and shouting is wasted. Until, that is, you have to climb down in years to come when it proves to be the right thing to do, which I am convinced it will do. Edited March 26, 2014 by NewNiceMrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 This fan justification is pretty pathetic guys. It's bordering on my dad is bigger than your dad. I know. Just trying to highlight the nonsense. My dad's quite small. And he supports City. So that meant I was never, ever going to support City. Family history my fecking arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torino101 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 My older brother is a Spurs fan, which meant there was only one option for me as a kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) I think Arsenal are going to be caught and passed by Everton now. They'll clearly get stuffed by City next and then they have.....Everton at Goodison Park. I think that'll be the day they drop to 5th place and don't get back up into the top 4. Our season has been awful, barring our Champions League success to date (I'm not deluded, we'll be battered by Bayern, both home and away), but I do think Arsenal have suffered a quite remarkable decline considering the position they were in. As a United fan I feel we've undergone major change and that major transition was always going to happen. But for Arsenal to be top for so long and then let it all go, without any real change in the team or management, is quite spectacular. I think Wenger will now go. Edited March 26, 2014 by NewNiceMrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Surely if SAF has to take some responsibility for the poor performance of Utd then Moyes must get some credit for how well Everton is doing this season:-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 This fan justification is pretty pathetic guys. It's bordering on my dad is bigger than your dad. I thought it was all tongue-in-cheek! I didn't realise ANYONE was taking it seriously..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Surely if SAF has to take some responsibility for the poor performance of Utd then Moyes must get some credit for how well Everton is doing this season:-) I don't blame Ferguson in the slightest. There may be some players that could be questioned as to why they were there, or why he didn't strengthen, but the fact remains you'd have to be a complete moron to say this season is the fault of SAF. I happen to think he should have strengthened. The fact is though, Moyes had time to. Ample time. I don't agree with much of the tactics or decisions being deployed by our new manager, but he is our new manager so, for the time being at least, he will get my support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinspark Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I sense a softening of position on this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 No, absolutely not. I used to disagree with some of SAF's decisions - such as getting rid of Beckham, and selling McGrath, and I also think he should have tried harder to sign Gascoigne or Lineker. So no, my position hasn't changed. If you want a serious view on this from me, then here it is: Our season has been a disaster. A complete and unmitigated disaster. I do not blame Moyes in the slightest for it. If there is one small thing he might have done wrong then it is underestimate the value of the backroom in the form of Mike Gibson, but only Mike Gibson. I think he would have been a steadying rock to whom I, personally, would have been quick to contact and tell him I wanted him to stay. But I also respect and understand him wanting to bring him those who, in many ways, got him into the position of being the man who SAF chose. Nor do I blame Ferguson. That's a nice quick one to deal with. I think Woodward has played a much bigger role in some failings than many believe. I believe Moyes was hesitant about spending big upon arrival, but that he should have been supported more by Woodward. He will get that from hereon and Juan Mata is proof of that, but it didn't help. No, the players are entirely at fault. No matter who you pick, he could have expected more from them. With the exception of De Gea, almost every player has got questions to answer. RVP might be let off a little on the basis of injuries, and perhaps Vidic too. Our defending has been atrocious. The heads have gone down too soon. Rooney destabilised the club for too long (I'd have sold him, regardless of how good he has been of late). Rafael has got to control his temper. Nani was given a chance and yet again showed he is truly awful. Ferdinand has been average on a good day. Welbeck has been poor. Chicharito has been absolutely dreadful. Cleverley, Evans, Jones, Carrick (still giving the ball away too often), all of the rest of them. Even Januzaj should have shown a bit more in my view. I think the club let him down too. He was clearly not fully prepared for the sheer might and weight of the press. He looks much more comfortable with it now, but I felt for the bloke to begin with. He should have been told to do a Fergie and walk away from an intervew - just as he would have done at Everton. I might have had a few moments along the way when I've lost my temper a little, but I am perfectly happy for us to ride this out - and ride it out they will. No Champions League football might actually help us build the league confidence back up. No distractions. It will not stop us getting the players we want, I'm 100% sure of that. Players still want the money and United have the money. Players know it's a huge club that will be back and want to be part of it. Yes the real money-grabbing mercenaries will always go to City, they have a squad full of them and will no doubt want a few more. Let them. They could have had Rooney for all I care. Brilliant footballer, zero loyalty. You'll tell me he took over the reigning Champions and all that. Yes, he did, and it is those very same players that haven't performed on the pitch. To sack Moyes would make us a classier version of Chelsea and City. I would never want to drop to such depths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 you know my views on this so I won't cut and paste. I don't see who you can absolve Moyes of all blame: booting out all the backroom staff was a rookie error that had repercussions. His tactics have been duff at times. Admitting he was second-guessing the fans/media on occasion all didn't help. BUT all that being said - yes the players definitely shoulder most of the burden. I do also agree with the Woodward - there was lots of talking the talk last summer and then ending up with the mighty Fellaini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 This fan justification is pretty pathetic guys. It's bordering on my dad is bigger than your dad. This could be the most meaningful contribution to this Thread. It's only football......................................it simply does not matter, at all - really, totally................ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 It's only football......................................it simply does not matter, at all - really, totally................ Said the Scotsman. Understandably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Said the East Coast Scotsman. Understandably. FTFY, certainly not the case over here in the West:-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Said the Scotsman. Understandably. Accepted - but you know as well as I do, MrMe (even now that you've become all nice and cuddly), it really does not matter, at all, ever........................ Oh, and the new Golf R is absolutely storming (but that's irrelevant too) !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 It matters. Always. Domestically. International football doesn't. Ever. Delighted to hear the new R is living up to expectation and beyond! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Interesting comments from Moyes today. He is at least man enough to shoulder the blame, whether it should be laid at his door or not. To an extent I take issue with the blame word. Football is an unpredictable game. With the unique benefit of hindsight: I believe the team has suffered from a failure to strengthen in key areas over recent seasons. That isn't Ferguson's fault per se, let's assume the right players just weren't available at the right price. There was far too much upheaval at the club this summer and that was the primary reason for such a disastrous summer transfer window. Partly for these reasons, although the squad looks fairly strong on paper it is badly unbalanced. It is just possible some have underestimated just how dominant a figure SAF was as manager. That could explain why some players seem a bit lost - it'll take them more than half a season to adjust. Fellaini looks like the classic panic buy. However it's not Moyes's fault that United paid too much for him and he has every chance of coming good - it took him over a season to settle at Everton. A fear of failure seems to have enveloped the club to the extent it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy in too many big games. In getting to grips with the magnitude of the job Moyes needs to dare to lose, and instill that courage into his players. The disappointing thing about last night wasn't the result, it was the performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I actually thought you playes better last night than you did against us and there were sporadic period where you looked pretty threatening in the latter 1/3 - if not in the box itself. Not strengthening is absolutely SAF's fault - eye on retirement and all that but then again it was reasonable to assume any new guy may have a different philosophy and thus not want any new players he might buy but he did leave behind an aging squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 We had 15 minutes at the end of the first half that looked more like we should do. The rest was atrocious, again. Garcon raises a critical point - the dominance of Ferguson. People talk about him going and his backroom staff going (as I did myself), but the entire club is built around him. The guy changed the players dining and even the times the tea woman went around the offices! He changed the training pitches, the physio, the gym prep, everything and anything. The PR people were changed at his request. The kits were laundered differently. The cleaning teams at Old Trafford were told to use different methods and to adopt a different schedule depending on when United's next home match was. Moyes has to learn that level of sheer perfectionist approach. But more than that, he needs to learn to be a complete and utter **** in that respect. He has to drop the friendly approach, and quickly. If anything will undo him, it will be that. It is going to take a long time for Moyes to get the club like he wants it, and he's going to be undoing over a quarter of a century of things in doing so. That takes time, but just because it worked for SAF doesn't mean it'll work for Moyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Sounds like you are making excuses for Man United being rubbish this season. Years back when you were Mr M3 or Mr Me you took great joy in telling me that Arsenal fans were making excuses. That was just after the arrival at Emirates, a financially challenging time, a time when Roman was spending £200m a season and Man Utd were doing £100m or so. Arsenal weren't spending anything much, and when they did it was one or two out, one in and one from the kiddies club. You wouldn't accept my excuses back then, so I'm not accepting yours. I do a agree about the matey thing, bosses are better bosses if they recognise when to be colleagues and when to be managers. Moyes seems all a bit to matey, almost like he would rather lose his job than stop being friendly with the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 But we've just become rubbish. What's your excuse for the last 8 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) Forgetting the English leagues for a moment, I was stunned to see Real Madrid appear to have blown the Spanish league title last night. Another defeat, this time to Seville. From being ahead on Sunday lunchtime, they're now 2 points behind Barcelona and 3 behind Athletic Madrid. The odds on Barcelona winning the title were very good a week ago. They're not now. Edited March 27, 2014 by NewNiceMrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Won't help Barça's chances (or Spain's in the WC) now that Victor Valdés has been ruled out till next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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