Waylander Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Yep I read that too. Back to KP - interesting debate with Boycott and Aggers this morning (hey, it makes traffic on Washway Road tolerable!) asking how many of KP's decent knocks have been played when the team is doing badly and "need him" and how many when the rest of the team are also firing. Very few knocks where he has "saved" the team - it's all about Team-KP (yes I know that is rich coming from Team-Boycott) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Credit where it's due, Stokes showed a lot of heart this morning. He put many of the 'specialist' batsman to shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I feel sorry (is that the right word) for the team having to go out and finish off the series now. It will speak volumes when we see how much effort they put in. I thought the KP musings were actually whether the number of times he makes a massive difference and wins us a test, versus the number of times he loses us a test by not being a leading batsmen, was beneficial to the team overall. Interesting. I'd have him, every time, although I might have a fight on my hands if Garcon was my batting coach. I also wonder if there will be a DVD released entitled "the horror of the 2013/14 series" depicting the behind the scenes arguments and depression that was in the dressing room since before the start of this series. I certainly think there must be something up for the whole team to just not work. They are all a hugely talented bunch so for the whole lot to be off is just odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I'd have him, every time, although I might have a fight on my hands if Garcon was my batting coach. I've got more chance of becoming the next Tottenham manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Yes - given the cronyism in the ECB. Otherwise Gooch is a goner Surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Make Cook the new manager of Spurs. He's crap at cricket so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 MrMe - stop that. He isn't 'crap at cricket'. Don't fall into the same trap you have been warning others of in your Man U discussion in the chavball thread, i.e. one swallow not making a summer ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Cook is the best English batsmen of his generation and arguably a couple of generations previous. The question this tour raises is whether he is the best choice for captain - which also raises the perennial question about captain choice. Would he be an (even) better batsman without the burden of captaincy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Yes, yes, he's not crap at cricket 'normally' - but he certainly has been this series and he's no Captain. I don't think anyone can defend his abject performance in this series (and questionable last). I think he's been the worst player we've had on the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Jesus - including Swann and Trott in that. Blimey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 On par with them. Oh come on, he has been shite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 No argument from me about him being crap in this series, none at all. But not the worst. Let's say bottom three shall we? In any case, the margins of sh1tness are so fine in England at the moment that from a distance, a relatively short distance, they all merge into one anyway! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I would exclude Stokes. I think he's done okay. So-so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Some interesting batting stats here. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=7899;type=series Obviously the Ausies have all the highest run scorers but look in some more detail. Stokes is our second highest run scorer having played in only 2 out of the 3 games. Mitchell Johnson has a higher batting average than all of our players, his total runs are down because Australia keep declaring so he doesn't need to bat. Ryan Harris has more runs than Swann and Broad. Swann and Broad have batted 6 times and Harris only 3. Ryan fecking Harris! Then there is the Bowling http://stats.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=7899;type=series Johnson 23 wickets Harris 12 Siddle 11 Lyon 10 Broad 14 Anderson 7 Swann 7 Sometimes stats can lie. Not in this case. If anyone manages to locate where the second best bowler in the world is, could they please return James Anderson to the England squad. Edited December 17, 2013 by billy2shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 We're shit. This thread can now be closed. Cricket does not exist. There. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 We are only sh1t because you said we would win. Don't think you can escape without any blame. Those stats make for awkward reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Oh yes, it's all my fault. I forgot that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 No you didn't - that's why you wanted the thread locked before someone called you on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I blame AVB. Why not. He gets the blame for everything in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't think Armin Van Burren has any sway on the game. Although maybe his "Who's Afraid of 138" special was a warning over Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I also wonder if there will be a DVD released entitled "the horror of the 2013/14 series" depicting the behind the scenes arguments and depression that was in the dressing room since before the start of this series. I certainly think there must be something up for the whole team to just not work. They are all a hugely talented bunch so for the whole lot to be off is just odd. That will only be sold in Australia. It'll be a top seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 We'll win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I didn't say what we'd win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Now Swann retires mid series, ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 Time for Flower to follow him. I think he's lost all the momentum he had built over the years and he needs to make an announcement quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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