NewNiceMrMe Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Frampton. p.s. I've said that as if I'm certain - far from it. I think it is one of the closest match-ups we've had in years. I would go 51/49 on a percentage scale to Frampton. He had a very poor last fight but it was so out of character I expect him to sort it out this time. Whoever wins, the country wins. Both are such talented fighters we're lucky to have them. Edited February 10, 2016 by NewNiceMrMe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 Both are such talented fighters we're lucky to have them. Totally agree with that I have to side with Quigg purely because I genuinely like the lads demeanour and his attitude Slightly dubious position here, but I have also never forgiven The Clones Cyclone for basically totally dismissing Benn as having any chance whatsoever of beating Mc Clellan all those years ago,so I automatically dismiss any predictions he makes, pretty much as I have never forgiven Jim Watt's comments about Mc Clellan when he didn't get up after he dropped to his knee for the second count in the ninth, a shameful attack on a stricken boxer from someone who should have known better, even though he gained his World title when there was a complete dearth of any talent in his weight division Whats the view on Calum Smith appearing to push Grove's to the back of the line for another shot at a world title challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 To be fair to Barry McGuigan, nobody gave Benn a chance. McClellan was on his 5th title fight, 4th defence and had won something like 20+ fights in a row. Benn was seen as a fighter in decline by many. Remember the first round? Benn was knocked out the ring by McClellan (almost literally, through the ropes). It looked like to was going to be over before it had begun. Then, well everyone knows what happened then. Tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulboy Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) ....that and Watson made me walk away from boxing for a long time. McLellan was tragic. But I also remember the alleged stories about him. Especially the one with his Pitbull and the labrador....I really despised him at the time, which made it even more confusing after the fight. I hated boxing for a time then. Edited February 12, 2016 by Soulboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 AJ V Martin... Who wins and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 When you look at it closely, Martin hasn't fought anyone of note. However, experience counts. We also still don't really know how good a chin Joshua has and I think it'd be good to see it tested. I honestly don't know how this fight will go. I think Martin is the man with most to gain and he's an honest guy too. He wants the adulation and fan base that Joshua has and this is his way to get it. Whoever wins gets planted firmly near the top of a division where everyone will be looking to Fury to decide whether he's going to bother his arse to fight again. I don't really want to call it yet. I'll wait until closer to the fight because I need to see more footage of Martin's fights (I freely admit I've only seen one!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 That's the biggest thing NNMM, Martin really is an unknown. In reality as neither have been in at the deep end it really is a pick'em fight. Martin may be knocked out in 2 rounds or he could turn out to be the best in history, there really isn't enough evidence to suggest which way it could go. My money will stay firmly in my pocket for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 There is something quite interesting and different about this fight though..... On all the boxing forums you'll usually see a very obvious USA v UK split in the predictions people make. It isn't there for this fight. Most American fans expect Joshua to win by KO. It's a big majority too, with something like 70% saying he'll beat Martin (most of them have seen Joshua because he is already getting a lot of attention in the USA). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulboy Posted February 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 I'll join the haven't got a clue brigade on this one. Even Joshua is a mostly unknown quantity to me. I will avoid the hype and just watch it with no preconceptions and hopefully enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Quigg V Frampton Strange fight Quigg & for some strange reason JG seemed quite content to block everything that Quigg was throwing whilst failing to return anything with credit for the first six rounds, then JG gets feedback that sky have Quigg 6 rounds down and suddenly Quigg wakes up and gets serious Quite what JG was thinking during the first six rounds just plain baffles me? So then we have Quigg starting to do what he should have done from Round 1 and lo and behold Frampton appeared to be the only one who got tagged and shaken by a peach of a right hand from Quigg, best punch thrown by a country wide mile all night and Quigg finished the fight pretty much unmarked as his defense was pretty much perfect as he was taking most of Framptons shots on his gloves Yet Frampton wins by four rounds on two cards Like I said strange fight altogether and it appears that an excellent defense counts for sweet FA these days, unless your name happens to be FMJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I take it you haven't seen Quigg's face post fight. Obviously Quigg should have started quicker but then it would have been a different fight and he may not have finished the stronger of the two. Personally I'm fed up with fights being hyped up to the stratosphere so they can sell it on box office. No fight can match the hype and even a decent contest would still feel like a let down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Frampton was the better boxer in a dire spectacle. To be fair to him, Quigg didn't help. I don't know what the problem was but I'm leaning towards Frampton being too awkward, cagey and frankly too good for him. On another note though, I've now managed to see 7-8 of Charles Martin's fights. The guy can punch. He can punch harder than I expected. He's also a lot (an awful lot) faster than I thought he'd be. But... Joshua will KO him. I'm convinced of it now. For all Joshua hasn't fought "of the time" title contenders, he's fought a hell of lot better boxers than Martin has. Dillian Whyte is 5 times the boxer of anyone Martin has been in the ring with. I was very wary about this one but Martin has been in fights where he has completely dominated and, in all the fights I've watched, I haven't seen a single person hit him! That isn't going to be the case with Joshua. Martin's style appears to be on the front foot. He's a come forward boxer. I look forward to seeing him come forward against Joshua because I can see the reach and power of AJ being a big stumblijg block for Martin. If he feels a punch or decides to go on the back foot and counter-punch, which certainly doesn't appear to be his style, then I can't see anything other than a quick exit for him. I now know why the American fans were so quick to predict a Joshua KO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulboy Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Glad I didn't watch Quigg v Frampton now. As Billy says, a lot of fights are completely overhyped nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I recorded it and watched it in the morning. It was easily one of the poorest I've seen in a very long time. Up there with the FMJ v Pacman fight. Come to think of it, I struggle to think of many decent PPV fights recently. I still think Quigg was the one that ruined what should have been a good match. He just didn't seem to bring it. Mystifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Glad I didn't watch Quigg v Frampton now. As Billy says, a lot of fights are completely overhyped nowadays. 2 years ago I said on here that PPV was killing boxing and I still stand by that. Slightly hypercritical I know but I did pay for the Pac V May fight and I believe that a fight of that magnitude could be a PPV event. I haven't paid for anything else since as it is getting ridiculous now. They have really pumped this whole domestic rivalries and historic grudge matches fights and have done a great job as people have bought into it left right and centre. Don't we pay enough for sky sports as it is? To spend almost another months subscription money on one night of boxing is crazy. It worries me where it will all end. Quigg and Frampton are both good boxers but I wouldn't put them as world stars and in that diversion they really should be legendary to warrant pay per view shows. Froch v Groves. I like Froch but he is nowhere near the top of the list of British greats in that weight class and whilst PPV could be argued if he fought another top fighter I don't see how people were persuaded to shell out for the Grives fight. Realistically the first fight was good and that could have warranted the rematch going PPV but the first match should not automatically go to box office. Grives vs Degale. On sky box office!!! Behave. Don't get me started on AJ v Whyte. How in gods name does that deserve PPV. It's scary what PPV boxing has become and it worries me where it will end up. Prize Figter, sparring sessions? Whilst many middle class people with a decent income wouldn't think twice about throwing £15-£20 at AJ v Whyte there are many true boxing fans who couldn't afford to or chose not to. How many young kids are missing out on being inspired due to not seeing their heroes. I grew up watching Eubank, Benn, Tyson, Lewis etc. Sitting with my old man watching 2 gladiators go to war. I wouldn't have seen any of them had my dad needed to shell out a couple of hours pay for the privilege. Edited February 29, 2016 by billy2shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) I pay because I'm happy to watch it and see the sport survive. It wouldn't without PPV. That's where we're at. ITV and the BBC are partly to blame for the loss on terrestrial TV. Oh and Audley Harrison, he's a huge reason for the BBC getting out after they got badly burnt. The terrestrial broadcasters all thought Sky would fail. It wouldn't work in the UK like it had in the US with cable. How wrong they were. There are ways and means for the working man (I hate that term) and his kids to watch but I do agree they're not what they used to be and nor are they all strictly legal. Times move on and the world has got to where it is through supply and demand. However, the biggest irony is who is to blame the most....Boxing itself. The boxing authorities and promoters. One of the reasons free-to-air broadcasters wanted out was because of the bad reputation boxing got with deaths and bad injuries. Poor ringside medical care and appalling issues with referees allowing fights to continue. That isn't what the general public wanted to see and the broadcasters withdrew as a result. It was only when PPV meant the promoters could still take a big cut of the purse AND provide adequate ringside care that it changed. Edited February 29, 2016 by NewNiceMrMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Recorded the Brook fight to watch this morning as I thought it would be a poor contest. I watched the Blackwell v Eubank fight live last night. Blackwell took an absolute pounding and is one seriously brave gutsy kid. Unfortunately Blackwell is now in a coma in hospital having suffered bleeding in the brain. It's an induced coma so let's hope all goes well with his treatment. It was such a difficult call as although Blackwell took a beating he kept coming forward and fighting back for 10 rounds. Eubank Snr was clearly surprised that the fight was continuing and made his thoughts quite clear inbetween rounds. I hope the ref doesn't get too much stick for this because it wasn't clear cut at all. Edited March 27, 2016 by billy2shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M8CKN Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Agreed. I think the ref called it at the right time, considering Blackwell was both defending himself and actively fighting back. Fingers crossed he is ok. Edited March 27, 2016 by M8CKN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Brave lad and hope he makes a full recovery, he trains just down the road from me and I know Gary Lockett his trainer is in peices over what happened You have to say he took some evil upper cuts in prettty much every round and I for one was extremely concerned about how it was going to end, he didn't look right when the fight was eventually stopped Thats the problem with a guy who can take shots that most boxers would fold under Anybody heard of Haye's next opponent? If so is he any good or just another piece of cannon fodder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Cannon fodder with an over inflated win record against nobodys. Haye is fighting him because he is tall the same as all the current belt holders. Interestingly no one has picked up the tv rights to this yet. Haye makes me laugh when he bangs on about wanting it to be shown on free to air channels so the common man can enjoy the sport. He would drop his pants so fast if sky box office came knocking. The master plan probably involves a last big pay day against AJ and I think that's the route he has mapped out in his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I have a slightly different view on the Haye fight. He has no choice. Nobody else will risk fighting him. Fury won't. Joshua won't. Wilder won't. Martin won't. Lucas Browne has been failed a drugs test. Shannon Briggs keeps calling him out but why would Haye fight him? He brings nothing whatsoever. He's stuck. I suspect AJ might risk him in 2-3 fights, but nobody else of note is prepared to and I can't say I blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I have a slightly different view on the Haye fight. He has no choice. Nobody else will risk fighting him. Fury won't. Joshua won't. Wilder won't. Martin won't. Lucas Browne has been failed a drugs test. Shannon Briggs keeps calling him out but why would Haye fight him? He brings nothing whatsoever. He's stuck. I suspect AJ might risk him in 2-3 fights, but nobody else of note is prepared to and I can't say I blame them. Agree with all that who in their right mind would want to fight him? Nothing to gain ewverything to lose as I have said previously on here, he is pretty much shafted for getting a world title shot at any belt, and totally out in the wilderness for the forseeable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 What I've written below could change on a single result, but this is how I see it all panning out (and I'm not going to put a timescale to it): Haye keeps winning (because he will). Fury defends his title in Klitschko rematch (although I think that is the most questionable of all my predictions) and then retires for a while (probably a year) before announcing his comeback. When he comes back, he fights the winner of Joshua v Haye (whenever that happens, and I think it'll be Haye) Ergo, Joshua has beaten Martin. Joshua has also beaten Wilder, by KO Fury fights Joshua or Haye (regardless of what he's said) and loses. Haye becomes undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. He retires. Joshua dominates for the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Anyway, forget the heavyweight division. Watch by far the most terrifying British boxer in a good while from last night when he took on the European Super-Middleweight champion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Some good news http://news.sky.com/story/1672589/boxer-blackwell-out-of-coma-after-eubank-fight 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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