Sparky Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 What about trying a different firewire cable to the camcorder? All Sony camcorders work with XP (as of 2003 onwards) but the fact you have two devices not being detected on a fresh installation with a new firewire board is surprising!! If you lived anywhere near Sheffield, I'd pop over with my camcorders and laptop to see what on earth is going on. This must be driving you up the wall! What's left to test then: * Different Firewire cable (let's forget the iPod for now) * Different PC altogether * Different Camcorder Do things appear on your USB devices okay? Does you camcorder take digital photos to a mini memory stick? If so, plugging in the usb lead should give you a "Removeable storage device" in XP's My Computer view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 Sparky, I live in Dore, so if you're up for a mini-meet that'd be cool. I have tried a different cable to the camcorder, so I'm pretty sure it's not a cable issue. Also, when plugged in, the camcorder knows it is attached to a firewire port as I get a little "DV IN" sign on the display (this goes away when I press 'play'). I really would like to try the camera with a different PC, although I can't think for the life of me why that would make a difference, given that I've tried both on-board firewire and PCI card. However, it may help to narrow down the possible failures (maybe the camera is bust). USB works okay (or did, anyway) as that's how I originally had the camera attached. The iPod too works just fine with USB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Drop me a PM mate if you're free sometime. Dore aint't that far away so will be glad to pop over for a mini meet, and to see the R32! I can bring my camera & laptop for tests. Seems so odd that this isn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Drop me a PM mate if you're free sometime. Dore aint't that far away so will be glad to pop over for a mini meet, and to see the R32! I can bring my camera & laptop for tests. Seems so odd that this isn't working. [/ QUOTE ] Wave to me when you drive past Hope you sort it dude. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Riz, we should have a mini south yorkshire meet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Riz, we should have a mini south yorkshire meet! [/ QUOTE ] Mmmmmm yes i think it could possibly work.. as there`s a few of us.... S4dreamer Riz_32 PhilT SparkyUK Badger possibly? Newbie Munki Mmmm who else..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Just as a follow-up, I installed Linux on the PC and it too didn't see either the iPod or Camcorder when I plugged them in via the 1394 ports. All of the appropriate drivers were loaded. However, when I plugged the iPod into it via USB, it was recognised straight away as external storage. Wierd! I put the PCI 1394 card into my other box running Linux, and that too refused to see the iPod. The only common elements to the failure so far seem to be the iPod and its cable, and the camcorder (I've tried a couple of different cables with this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Still sounds fishy to me. The fact that your new card made no difference and the iPod isn't detected via Firewire. I very much doubt either product is at fault. The common area of failure is usually Windows XP, but if you say Linux hasn't spotted them either then that is odd. When you connect your device, check Device Manager. Is there a yello Exclamation in there anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Get yourself a powered firewire card I tell you!! Your problems will cease & desist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Nothing appears/changes in device manager when I plug in either the camcorder or iPod on either the on-board 1394 connection or the PCI card. I'm certainly beginning to think that Mac's point about powered 1394 card might help me with the iPod, but as that works with USB anyway, at the moment that isn't bothering me too much. Since the camcorder doesn't take power from the 1394 connection, I'm thinking that maybe I should buy a 4pin-4pin Sony cable from Ebuyer for a few quid, just in case there's something peculiar in the way that the 4pin-6pin cable is treated by the camera. I'm really doubting that that's the problem, since the camera obviously recognises that it has a 1394 cable plugged in, but I'm struggling to know what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Dude, just checked, my JVC doesn't work unless it's plugged into a power port either. I.e. if I pull the power out of my firewire board then the camera no longer pops up when I plug it in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 B*llocks! Do you remember what make your board was Mac ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Belkin ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Never mind - I think the Belkin one listed on Ebuyer has a power socket on the board. It's 3x the price of the Ebuyer special I bought before, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Sony's don't need powered Firewire ports. Have you checked 1394 ports are enabled in the BIOS? Otherwise you just get power from them and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Yep, BIOS says they're enabled, sparky. I appreciate that the Sony camera doesn't take power from the 1394 interface, but I'm at a loss to know what else to try. As a last-ditch effort, I'm going to order the Belkin board from Ebuyer. If it too doesn't work, then it can go straight back, but at least I'll be satisfied that its not some wierd power related issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaunty Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Trev, have you tried installing the Twain compatibility patch that Sony have on their web site? There is also a USB streaming patch for XP, you might want to try installing that too. http://www.sonydigital-link.com/DIME/downloads/downloads.asp?l=en&t=d&s=mdv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Yeah, I installed the TWAIN patch and the latest Sony USB drivers at the weekend. The thing is that it works just fine over USB, excepting that you can't do DV over USB for some peculiar reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Right, new Belkin board arrived this morning, so I plugged it in, plugged in a spare power cable and set off with high hopes. Unfortunately, neither the iPod or camcorder worked Tried disabling the on-board 1394 in the BIOS and using the cable which came with the Belkin board for the camera, but still neither device would show up in the device manager tree (as anything). So far, it looks as if, by strange coincidence, the iPod cable and camcorder DV port are flakey. Sparky, I'll PM you about setting up a mini-meet to see if I can get any closer to the cause of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 How bloody odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 No problem mate. I've got a camcorder you can try, and you're welcome to try iPod and your camcorder on my laptop too. Let me know when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 [ QUOTE ] How bloody odd [/ QUOTE ] Now that is something of an understatement! I'm seriously pissed off with it all now, but thanks for your help anyway Mac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Trevor.. maybe the Firewire port on your motherboard you first tried was faulty and has taken out BOTH your camera and Ipod firewire comms side ... ? hence everything since has not worked regardless of swapping hardware. mini meet sounds like the next option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4dreamer Posted January 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 You might have something there, Paul. I'll try to hook up with Sparky over the next few days and see if his camcorder works with my kit and mine with his kit. If not, then it might be time to send the camcorder back (thankfully, it's still under warranty). Ditto the iPod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 That's possible. Silly question, but is the Firewire cable from the Firewire port connected the right way round on the motherboard? On some systems I've seen, it's possible to plug the power into other pins as it's not a block, but rather individual cables. If so, would cause damage to your devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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