thos Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 What size are the discs ? Does that include pads ? What compound ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1brt Posted February 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 [ QUOTE ] What size are the discs ? Does that include pads ? What compound ? [/ QUOTE ] 330 mm grooved discs. Yes.Ferodo DS2500 pads which are most suited to fast road/track use. Don't know what compound they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 I don't think Brembo own AP Racing. AP were once Lockheed and have a 60 year history. They are considered world leaders in their field by many and, although I am not qualified to make such a claim, I have heard that AP products are generally superior to Brembo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcull Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Gents, also worth looking at TarOx brakes as well. They make 6, 8, 10 and 12 pot road systems and are in the AP Racing/Brembo league. http://www.tarox.com/english.html Jeremy PS Red, thought you might be interested that in a review I read of the Lambo Gallardo Spyder they mentioned it uses Koni FSD shocks. Suppose they can't be too bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Thanks Jeremy - Yes, I learnt this recently and also that the McLaren also has FSDs as standard. The Bugatti Veyron uses AP Racing's brakes....I've actually held a caliper in my hand! - The nearest I'll get to touching one!! Btw, I'm told that grooved discs are far better/stronger than drilled ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Guys......... Just buy a MK5 R32! Discs with the diameter of the London Eye all round........... with pots to match......... Easy.........no fuss...........and no rude comments please... Nothing like fueling a debate with a different perspective..........particulary when one is so biased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentandy Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Unless you are taking the GTI on track every weekend or driving like a boy racer all the time I don't see what's wrong with the standard brakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I don't think Brembo own AP Racing. AP were once Lockheed and have a 60 year history. They are considered world leaders in their field by many and, although I am not qualified to make such a claim, I have heard that AP products are generally superior to Brembo. [/ QUOTE ] Superior in price maybe... According to this they do. http://www.brembo.com/ENG/AboutBrembo/CompanyOverview/BremboGroup/Europe/GroupEU.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_d Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Btw, I'm told that grooved discs are far better/stronger than drilled ones. [/ QUOTE ] I am no brake expert, nor am I am expert on anything much , but I've been told that drilled discs can weaken the structure of the disc. This "can" cause the disc to snap under very extreme braking, however it's only the cheap and nasty conversions that tend to do this. Apparently if the discs were cast with the "drill" holes then they're fine, but if they're actually drilled after casting then that's where the problem lies. I'm currently running EBC Greenstuff discs and pads and love them. They're very low on brake dust and noise and are much better than OEM brakes (from the PD130 MKIV). These discs have a combination of grooves and blind drill holes (don't go all the way through the disc). Obviously these are a much cheaper option to the brakes offered above and do not match their performance, but as a cheap and simple upgrade from OEM they are worth a look. Personally I think that you pay for the Brembo name, as cool (and good) as they are, I'd go for tar.ox if I was upgrading. p.s. to whoever said that you don't need bigger brakes unless you track day or drive like a chav; this is wrong, brakes are a safety tool and if you can stop quicker then your car is safer. I won't be upgrading mine as I'll be staying OEM, but if I had a remap then I'd need to be looking at getting those brakes changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 just to clarify, you're not using the ECB brakes on your gti, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_d Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] just to clarify, you're not using the ECB brakes on your gti, correct? [/ QUOTE ] Nope, they're on my current PD130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] and, although I am not qualified to make such a claim, I have heard that AP products are generally superior to Brembo. [/ QUOTE ] I would not say that myself, I look after quite a few cars that run AP or brembo calipers, both seem equally good to me. Only advantage AP seem to have is theres are slimmer design and so can fit on bigger discs and more complicated alloys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Unless you are taking the GTI on track every weekend or driving like a boy racer all the time I don't see what's wrong with the standard brakes? [/ QUOTE ] ....I agree - I find the standard GTI brakes excellent and have had to 'rely' on them a few times over the course of 8,000 road miles. I found the Mk5 R32 brakes exceptional too. But for a re-mapped GTI or someone like SiBurt who does track days I would recommend a good brake like AP Racing's. Hi Cupramax and thanks for correcting me about Brembo owning AP Racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankit Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Red you've done 8,000 miles already, how time flies only seems like last week when you picked it up. Only managed 2400 so far on mine since sept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Red you've done 8,000 miles already, how time flies only seems like last week when you picked it up. Only managed 2400 so far on mine since sept [/ QUOTE ] you need to get out more my boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankit Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Yep need to put myself and the car first. Better tell work and the tounge (she who knows best) that joy riding comes first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 I drove AmD's Gti with their Porsche turbo brakes which are the same as i have on my car, but due to the different servo the brakes had immense stopping power in the Gti, far greater than in my R, but less progressive. Putting a huge AP set up in the car may be a bit too much. Grabbing round fast corners can be dangerous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveuk Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 I had the ap conversion fitted to my vx220, it was awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Apparently SiBurt had a spin at the Bedford track day recently (I arrived well after it happened and he had gone)....I don't know if it was brakes related or not. But, having spent a whole afternoon going around AP Racing's works with their Senior Race Engineer and seeing their products and high standards over many decades of experience, I would have a lot of faith in their products and their conscious application. AP usually do very extensive tests before any public release so I would be surprised if the brake kit they specify for the GTI is "too much". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Maybe the issue is "less progressive" and "immense" as if you are used to weaker brakes and use "usual" firm pressure to dump speed prior to a corner - or in emergency - then the AP will come in loads more than previously Could it be this that has unsettled the car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1brt Posted April 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Apparently SiBurt had a spin at the Bedford track day recently (I arrived well after it happened and he had gone)....I don't know if it was brakes related or not. But, having spent a whole afternoon going around AP Racing's works with their Senior Race Engineer and seeing their products and high standards over many decades of experience, I would have a lot of faith in their products and their conscious application. AP usually do very extensive tests before any public release so I would be surprised if the brake kit they specify for the GTI is "too much". [/ QUOTE ] Hi Robin. The brakes are fantastic and I would highly recommend them to everyone. The spin at Bedford occured while I was flat (no lifting/braking-not advisable ) through a chicane.My own thoughts,which have been confirmed by AMD,relate to the rear FSD's which have increased the rear ride height on the car.Koni have experienced several issues similar to mine and have already put a revised shock into production.I hope to have these fitted and my geometry re-set within the next few weeks. Si. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Apparently SiBurt had a spin at the Bedford track day recently (I arrived well after it happened and he had gone)....I don't know if it was brakes related or not. But, having spent a whole afternoon going around AP Racing's works with their Senior Race Engineer and seeing their products and high standards over many decades of experience, I would have a lot of faith in their products and their conscious application. AP usually do very extensive tests before any public release so I would be surprised if the brake kit they specify for the GTI is "too much". [/ QUOTE ] I suppose if it is made for the Gti that is different. The porkers went and they were obscene! A bit too much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] ....My own thoughts,which have been confirmed by AMD,relate to the rear FSD's which have increased the rear ride height on the car.Koni have experienced several issues similar to mine and have already put a revised shock into production.I hope to have these fitted and my geometry re-set within the next few weeks. Si. [/ QUOTE ] Hi Si, What's this about FSDs increasing the rear ride height? . It doesn't look that way on my car. Although it's difficult to tell because the Eibach springs with FSDs only lower the car 5mm and that's slightly difficult to appreciate. Your post obviously gives me reason to be concerned as I have Koni FSDs fitted. However, I don't go on track days. I am doing a car control course in a couple of weeks so I wonder how my suspension will behave on that. Please tell me if you know any more detail about Koni FSD problems. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirium Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Where are the pics of the APs???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveuk Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Pic of my (ex) vx220 with ap racing upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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