Paul Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 I have always been annoyed by the fact the S3 only has one rear foglight on the rear offside (drivers side) and the passenger side does nothing/remains empty. It either looks cheap, or you got a bulb out. Well, ive gone for the symmetrical look and retro fitted/enabled the other side. The passenger light cluster itself has the bulb holder, tracks and everything in place, just no pin/wiring/feed in the harness plug to power it. Having managed to get hold of a pin for the harness, it was just a matter of: 1.Taking a feed off the working foglight, 2.Fitting the pin in the plug, 3.Removing the break out blank in the light cluster so the bulb can fit in. 4.Fitting a second foglight bulb Result gives a much cleaner symmetrical look. The added safety, of double the fog light output so you can be seen more easily in fog. Does not upset the bulb out warnings. (I dont think the fog light circuit is checked by this anyway) Simple mod with the correct bits, maybe infrequently used, but i am happier in the knowledge that its done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnski Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Good man paul, so its easy to do then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 It was easy for me as ... A. I am an electrician by trade B. I had the missing (female)pin for the harness. B. is the only real sticking point for joe public. I was originally going to hack up an old Autoleads stereo adaptor for a spare female pin, but managed to find one loose kicking around in my odds and sods. Connection into the other foglight switched feed is just a scotchlock connector. Fully reversable, and means no cutting/ disturbing of OEM wiring. The ground is already connected in the cluster via the tracks. If you got the female pin, its not taxing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3ENVY Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 I know exactly what you mean, I thought I had a bulb out until I read the manual! I think it's a little slack of Audi TBH, who's clever idea was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 By law, you have to have atleast one foglight located in the center or on the offside, hence why its the drivers side corner. You can have two, (many cars do) but they both must work and [ QUOTE ] Other requirements- Where two rear fog lamps are fitted to a motor vehicle first used on or after 1st April 1986 or to a trailer manufactured on or after 1st October 1985 they shall form a matched pair. [/ QUOTE ] aka symmetrical I will see if i can take a pic when it gets dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted July 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Quick pic with the double fog Mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeDesmo Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Excellent, I'd like to do this to my A3, unfortunately the rearlights don't have a position for the bulb as the opposite side houses the reversing light - How many people have said "one of your reversing lights isn't working mate" I think it looks really cheap to just fit the one reversing light and one foglight, hardly what you'd expect on a £25k+ car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viraje Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Possibly the nearside bulb isn't fitted, as the fogs are quite close to the brake lights, and by leaving one side 'un-fogged', it makes it easier for following traffic to see the difference when you hit the brakes? Just a thought. Re the required pin, I don't suppose there are any spare pins on either side that could be used are there? (Car is away having a new front end so can't pop out and check!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted July 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 no spare pins in the harness, one is full (the one with the fog) the other is empty. All within "The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989" the measurements between brake and foglights etc are correct for the offside oem fog, so perfectly correct in doubling up, as the units are identicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viraje Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Not too close from a legal perspective, more from a practical one. Even though I'm liking the look of both lights, I'd be tempted to leave it as is, just so doddering half-brains following in fog can see when I'm slowing down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted July 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Its 50/50 either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted August 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 re the brake lights remember the brake lights include the third high level brake light up in the spoiler, so should not be an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallachie Posted August 9, 2006 Report Share Posted August 9, 2006 Good job Paul, I bet there's not many S3's in the country with that mod, if any at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Just an Update on this. With the country suffering the fog of doom, This mod has been tested extensively, and Ive had no issues with doubling the load on the foglight circuit. I certainly feel happier in this weather with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3geezer Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Paul, can it be done on pre-2001 facelift S3's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h5djr Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Why do you want 2 rear fog lights - one is blinding enough. German cars only have one. It's only Rovers and the like that have two - even the new Vauxhall's only have one. Much better in my opinion - it's means that drivers following you can see year brake lights much better. Quite important in foggy conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 Prefacelift S3's - I would have thought so, but cannot confirm. I wanted the symmetrical look. One fog, when you clearly have space for another, looks like you have a bulb out. I also wanted greater visability of the rear of the car. Brake lights are not an issue. They are far enough away (legal requirement) and there is the high level brake light as well. If people cannot spot that, they are thick and should not be on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s3geezer Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 [ QUOTE ] If people cannot spot that, they are thick and should not be on the road. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed on that! I prefer the symmetrical look too but haven't got balls to mess with my wiring loom. Paul what about doing a guide from start to finish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted December 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 I didnt write a guide, because it all hinges on if you can get hold of the missing harness pin. I happened to find one kicking around at work. If you havent got the pin, it will be a PITA to get the feed to the other bulb, without making a mess/hash job. Mine remains as Audi would have done it, throught the proper connector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 [ QUOTE ] German cars only have one. [/ QUOTE ] NOT true. The B7 A4 has 2. A Vauxhall Astra company car I used to have had 2, as did a Vauxhall Corsa I used to have, as did a Mercedes I used to have - all three of them built and designed in Germany. With 3 brake lights (including the centre high mounted one that has been a legal requirement on new cars for several years) it makes sense to have 2 rear fog lights - to mark the extremeties of the car and show to a driver behind that it isn't a bike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h5djr Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 As I understand it, cars in Germany and most of the rest of Europe are only allowed to have one rear fog light - on the drivers side. A new 56 reg Vauxhall Astra I followed last week only had one. Perhaps some of the others are chaged to 2 rear fogs for the UK market. If you want the symetrical look, then you may find that you need the change the LH rear light cluster for a LH drive version as I don't think the rear fog light in the LH cluster on a RHD car has a reflector therefore the lights will appear to have different brightness. That was certainly the case with all my old A3s (8L). Not sure if it's the same with the new 8P A3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h5djr Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 I'll remember you guys the next time I'm sat in a traffic jam with TWO bright red lights glaring at me. It wouldn't be so bad if drivers remembered to use them only 'when the visability is seriously reduced' and then to 'switch them OFF when the visability improves', as required by the Highway Code. It is always a good idea and a common courtesy to switch them off when stopped with another car behind. Only the LAST car in a stationary or slow moving queue needs them on. It's nearly as bad as all the drivers - usually of Peugeots who insist on driving with their front fog lights on, even it's not foggy and they are in a area with good street lighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrolDave Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I'll remember you guys the next time I'm sat in a traffic jam with TWO bright red lights glaring at me. [/ QUOTE ] That won't be me in front of you. [ QUOTE ] It wouldn't be so bad if drivers remembered to use them only 'when the visability is seriously reduced' and then to 'switch them OFF when the visability improves', as required by the Highway Code. It is always a good idea and a common courtesy to switch them off when stopped with another car behind. Only the LAST car in a stationary or slow moving queue needs them on. [/ QUOTE ] 100% agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I'll remember you guys the next time I'm sat in a traffic jam with TWO bright red lights glaring at me. It wouldn't be so bad if drivers remembered to use them only 'when the visability is seriously reduced' and then to 'switch them OFF when the visability improves', as required by the Highway Code. It is always a good idea and a common courtesy to switch them off when stopped with another car behind. Only the LAST car in a stationary or slow moving queue needs them on. [/ QUOTE ] so True, Also if your been followed close by someone its only polite to switch the rears off as your blinding the person behind who may get blinded and then not see your brake lights especially if you have two fogs.. I now flash people a few times if im following close and they have there rear fogs on to see how they like been blinded too. normally does the trick and they get the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h5djr Posted December 24, 2006 Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 It seems that A3 drivers are more considerate that most ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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