AGK512 Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 My 06 R32 does not have HAS and dealer taold me it wasn't fitted to any R32 ! Which is a bit naff Robin ....... that is great news I want it to be better than this and i'm sure you views are based on your great experience so far so I am no way taking the micky Seems like the R32 gang that have invaded this thread are having more isshhooos (don't you hate that word) than the GTi gang so could be partly a setup/version difference After driving a bit more today it seems you have to commit to a throttle change for a 'few seconds' otherwise it gets 'confused' (wrong word but you know what I mean) It's almost like there are too many sensors giving it more info than it can react to so it tries to make two changes when you really didn't need any which is over half a second which is starting to get quit a long time (relatively) So what i'm trying to say is small throttle movements quickly changing direction ie slight lift and then slight back on power at slow speeds when driving around a say 50 yard square sems to catch it out on mine. Still I'm sticking with it and enjoying a good debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 evosapper - I wonder if I made myself sufficiently clear on how to make HSA work When I got my car I couldn't make it work - the issue is that once you have brought your car to a complete halt on the hill with the foot pedal THEN you have to push your foot down hard onto the brake pedal again to engage HSA Of course, it may still be that you don't have it/it is broken on your car, however it's the "double braking" when already stationary that activates mine - it may be worth trying this if you hadn't already tried it And I am astonished that it isn't supplied on the R32.... Makes the GTI the best purchase for hill starts everytime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGK512 Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Not as astonished as me ! Will give your techique a try to see if it is dippo dealers ..... Or perhaps they had to remove to make room for a proper engine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Dippo dealers will try and tell you anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evosapper Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Nhs, Thanks bud, I did try it and almost pushed the brake pedal throught the bulk head, it is a bit weird how the brake pedal sinks to the floor, I can't remember a car allowing me to do that before, anyway back to the subject what MY is your's Nhs? Maybe this a softwear update but I think it may have been added to later MY than 05...... The plot thickens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemod Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I have an early '05 car but didn't know about this. However if I stop on a hill and hold the car on the brake, then lift my foot off the brake the car just sits there, i then just apply some throttle and move off. I have never left it for more than a second or so to see if the car rolls back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Even with Hill Assistant, if the hill is steeper than a certain angle, it won't work and you'll need to use the handbrake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Mikemod - yours sounds like it's got HSA, especially when you compare your experiences to evosappers! Red is right, in that if the hill is really steep, then HSA provides initial forwardness, but is overcome - but even then, it is very controlled compared to the same hill in reverse! My car is MY06 March 06 build. Evosapper - if your brake is like that, it may be time to check you haven't got air in your brakefluid or that it is time for a brakefluid change. Again you might want to take your car under warranty to the Stealer and complain it's a warranty issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickquewok Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Interesting reading the comments. Remeber the DSG is bit more like a manual than an auto (no Idon't want to start that debate, just my opinion ). I have same problem when turning into a slow corner, nothing for a second then clutchs engage and your off. It's like driving a maunual and entering the corner in too high a gear and changing down as your turning. ie no power until you've changed gear. In these situations I've learned to flick the paddle before entering the corner and then your O.K. Similar to driving a manual and changing down before entering a corner. As has been said before it means that you need to learn a new driving style to get the best out of the DSG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evosapper Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 No mention in the manual about HSA so perhaps it is not featured on my GTI, no hardship at least with the handbrake you are in control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] ......As has been said before it means that you need to learn a new driving style to get the best out of the DSG. [/ QUOTE ] ....Exactly! And doubtless it will be said many times again. I was beginning to think that I was the only person who finds the DSG more similar to a Manual than an Automatic box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ......As has been said before it means that you need to learn a new driving style to get the best out of the DSG. [/ QUOTE ] ....Exactly! And doubtless it will be said many times again. I was beginning to think that I was the only person who finds the DSG more similar to a Manual than an Automatic box. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly my thoughts Robin. It just puts a bit more control back in the hands of the driver. In a funny way it's those little things that remind me that this gearbox is a very different animal to a conventional auto. I think VW did it on purpose to give it manual charactoristics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Agreed . It's highly likely that VW will have analysed the market and drivers' needs, desires, and criticisms of conventional automatics, before developing the DSG system. Drivers really have to experience DSG over a period of time before they can more fully appreciate it. It's rather like being a parent - You can't know what it's like until you've got a child. However, thank goodness I haven't experienced actual child birth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemod Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Was out at lunchtime so I thought I would see what happens on a hill if I don't hit the throttle after lifting of the brake. So came onto the Hill, quite steep, and came to a halt on the brake. I didn't push the brake peddle any further down than normal. No cars behind me so I took my foot off the brake. The car rolled back about six inches, then the revs increased slightly and the car started to go forward, all without me touching the throttle. At this point I just applied some throttle and continued on my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evosapper Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Mike what MY is your GTI bud, as I say I'm not that bothered but it would be interesting to see if it was another improvment between the MY05 and MY06 cars, I got caught out with the pretty rubbish CD-ROM based Sat Nav as well in my 05 car.......grrrrrrrrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMC950 Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Each to their own Red, but why do you sod about clicking the leaver between D and S when you can override D mode with the paddles, so drop down a couple if you want higher revs? OR, just use the kickdown? They all achieve the same thing, i.e, higher revs in a lower gear, but kickdown or paddles is surely faster and smoother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemod Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Mike what MY is your GTI bud [/ QUOTE ] Built Week 16, 2005 MY05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Each to their own Red, but why do you sod about clicking the leaver between D and S when you can override D mode with the paddles, so drop down a couple if you want higher revs? OR, just use the kickdown? They all achieve the same thing, i.e, higher revs in a lower gear, but kickdown or paddles is surely faster and smoother? [/ QUOTE ] ....I sometimes do override D-mode with the paddles but I particularly like using the floor stick between D and S because it feels more like a manual. Although I owned an automatic BMW more recently, I've been driving various manual cars for over 40 years and old habits die hard! I never use kickdown except in emergency. If I'm trying to make as much progress as possible in some 90 degree narrow B-road twisties (for example), I prefer to leave it in S and think only about braking and steering. I find that the S mode responds surprisingly directly to my use of either brake and throttle foot pedals. Throttle response on my car is very instant. In fact I'm now interested in seeing what a standard GTI now feels like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evosapper Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 mmmm maybe mine is just not working then...........It is a great gearbox though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimad Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Out of interest, how do fellow DSG owners handle the following situation: Driving along in a 30mph zone, approaching a slow 2nd gear corner in D. Car has been cruising in 4th or 5th gear and is now starting to change down as I brake for the corner. As I turn in the car is still in 3rd. I find that if I leave it in D I end up launching out of the corner. It changes down to 2nd after I start applying the accellerator on exit -- obviously because 3rd is too high a gear for the current engine speed. Unfortunately I seem to unwittingly apply more pressure to the accellerator when I don't get the instant accelleration I'm expecting, meaning that the pedal is down a tad too much when it completes the down-change to 2nd. I've started using the paddles to drop down to 2nd before I take the corner (as I would in a manual) and this seems to work well. Now I'm just wondering if I'm doing the right thing, or whether I should be able to leave it in D and just keep a better check on my right foot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Each to their own Red, but why do you sod about clicking the leaver between D and S when you can override D mode with the paddles, so drop down a couple if you want higher revs? OR, just use the kickdown? They all achieve the same thing, i.e, higher revs in a lower gear, but kickdown or paddles is surely faster and smoother? [/ QUOTE ] Because S is a no brainer if you just want to get the most out of your car. Kickdown is aggressive and sometimes comes with a delay. If you know how DSG works you'll know that S mode primes the lower gears not the upper gears when cruising so lots of power is instantly available (unlike a kickdown which normally has a delay followed by a thump in the back) TBH I don't put it in S much, i just use the paddles. But when coming up a sliproad behind a lada the other day, i stuck it in S... it worked a treat, maximum acceleration, minimum effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] ...............I stuck it in S... it worked a treat, maximum acceleration, minimum effort. [/ QUOTE ] ....That's the one!! All exactly as you say above, LeMan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Niemad > In answer to your specific quezzie: Either watch your speedo and your right foot and/or use the paddles, either still when in D or after popping floor stick into M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Hmmm...this all makes interesting reading. Despite being very attracted to the dsg, I'm glad I played safe and went for the manual box. I will only cover @ 4000 miles a year (mainly a weekend car) and I'm not sure that I would ever really master the DSG to exploit the best out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGK512 Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Hi all Yes I do appreciate it's an automated manual but just looks like i'll "have" to select the lower gear before it does. Even in M if you get below the threshold for a gear it will drop to the next....where eg third is adequate...my old 2L was fine with this so a 3.2 should easily pull it but if you reach 'the point' it just changes but of course it cant know you are about to press the throttle again and the road is flat I wonder how DSG fairs in general on forums and in mags of car users as opposed to enthuiasts ? I'm not trying to say it's bad but somehow for me it's not quite the sum of it's high tech parts in an enviroment where I spend a big chunk of time. Will try ut a few of the suggestions on here and see how we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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