EssFour Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] V-Power is what Shell 98RON is branded as in Europe I think. Is it not broadly equivilent to Optimax, just with different branding? [/ QUOTE ] V-Power is 100RON. Optimax in not a brand over here, Germany. Super Benzin is only 95RON with Benzin graded even lower. Can't remember but its about that time for a visit to the garage for fuel so I'll get a correct breakdown. The cost of V-Power is £0.99p/ltr. Most of the retailers sell 100RON. I generally use jet coming in at £0.96p/ltr. Also there is a differnce that can be felt between 100RON 98RON and 95RON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Also there is a differnce that can be felt between 100RON 98RON and 95RON [/ QUOTE ] ....And we can assume that 100RON feels best of all? But does one have to adjust an ECU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFour Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] ....And we can assume that 100RON feels best of all? [/ QUOTE ] IMO it is the better fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Hmmm....Methinks that my Hi-flow exhaust plus Cold Air Intake, but no re-map, should run even more nicely on 100RON. I just hope it doesn't cost too much more. If Shell overprice it they'll lose a heck of a lot of Optimax customers I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 My local Shell has been closed for the last week (and for another week) while they lay new pipes/pumps. I dont think the RON number has too much bearing on price. BP Super (97) is more expensive than optimax (98) in my local stations, and Tesco (99) is the cheapest of the three. I would think a slight increase over Optimax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] V-Power is what Shell 98RON is branded as in Europe I think. Is it not broadly equivilent to Optimax, just with different branding? [/ QUOTE ] V-Power is 100RON. Optimax in not a brand over here, Germany. Super Benzin is only 95RON with Benzin graded even lower. Can't remember but its about that time for a visit to the garage for fuel so I'll get a correct breakdown. The cost of V-Power is £0.99p/ltr. Most of the retailers sell 100RON. I generally use jet coming in at £0.96p/ltr. Also there is a differnce that can be felt between 100RON 98RON and 95RON [/ QUOTE ] The V-Power that I found in Germany in July was definately 98RON, but apparently there is 100RON at certain stations, I just didn't find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] The V-Power that I found in Germany in July was definately 98RON, but apparently there is 100RON at certain stations, I just didn't find them. [/ QUOTE ] ....I may be wrong but I can't see Shell bothering to have extra pumps so that we have the choice of 98 or 100RON. It's Optimax out and V-Power in, but we just don't know the V-Power RON for the UK yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamD Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I bet it is 98 and this is just a rebranding to save them money across Europe. It will be just like Marathon->Snickers and Opal Fruits->Starburst. Nothing changes except the name. Perhaps I am just a cynic though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFour Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] The V-Power that I found in Germany in July was definately 98RON, but apparently there is 100RON at certain stations, I just didn't find them. [/ QUOTE ] No apparently about it. I have been living here for the last 6 months and all stations that I have used have 100RON be it shell, jet, texaco etc. I have not found a pump with 98RON to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I refuse to fill up with Starbursts, even if they are 200 RON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFour Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I refuse to fill up with Starbursts, even if they are 200 RON. [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The V-Power that I found in Germany in July was definately 98RON, but apparently there is 100RON at certain stations, I just didn't find them. [/ QUOTE ] No apparently about it. I have been living here for the last 6 months and all stations that I have used have 100RON be it shell, jet, texaco etc. I have not found a pump with 98RON to date. [/ QUOTE ] Have you tried your S4 with 98 RON? And how does it compare to 100 RON V Power? I just ask as it says on the filler cap 98 RON or 95 at worst, I just wondered what would happen with 100 RON? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted August 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 P_G > I asked this question earlier in this thread but so far, no answer, so perhaps no-one here knows. It's a question I'll be asking the Technical Dept of VW the moment it's known to be 100RON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHA Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I doubt anything will happen. The engine management will have an upper RON tolerance and anything above that will not be used in the combustion process. You might get some problems on the valves or cylinder seals with heat problems but I would say that is unlikely on a higher performance engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 Sorry, I forgot, indeed you did! I realise theoretically it should improve performance but I do wonder whether it had detrimental effects to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I bet it is 98 and this is just a rebranding to save them money across Europe. It will be just like Marathon->Snickers and Opal Fruits->Starburst. Nothing changes except the name. [/ QUOTE ] And another pence or two a litre to cover the rebranding cost. I'm even more of a cynic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin275 Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 I'd put money on this being no more than a Marketing exercise, one that aligns the brand across Europe. A friend of mine said that the guy at his local Shell garage told him that he had just put V Power in his tank (Shell are apparently delivering V Power now, ready for the launch), but not to get too excited because it was basically the same as Optimax. I don't know how true that is, but I wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFour Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The V-Power that I found in Germany in July was definately 98RON, but apparently there is 100RON at certain stations, I just didn't find them. [/ QUOTE ] No apparently about it. I have been living here for the last 6 months and all stations that I have used have 100RON be it shell, jet, texaco etc. I have not found a pump with 98RON to date. [/ QUOTE ] Have you tried your S4 with 98 RON? And how does it compare to 100 RON V Power? I just ask as it says on the filler cap 98 RON or 95 at worst, I just wondered what would happen with 100 RON? [/ QUOTE ] Before moving here, 6 months now, I was filling the car with Optimax. There is, IMO, a noticeable difference in performance between the two fuels, a point I have stated on this thread already. IMO there is no harm to the engine by running on 100RON. I have been doing so since moving here and no problems whatsoever to date. A british registered S4, as is mine, is exactly the same vehicle as a german registered one, except for the steering wheel being on the wrong side. Therefore, running a vehicle on 100RON is not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Watson Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 V power is around 8% more expensive than Bp98ron. I don't feel any difference at all. I've just had 6338 done on my car and that smoothed it out, but the V-power just seems to eat my wallet. Think I will be back to 98 ron and see how it runs. Petrol is fairly cheap here but V-power is just a bit o.t.t for my liking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFour Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 [ QUOTE ] V power is around 8% more expensive than Bp98ron. I don't feel any difference at all. I've just had 6338 done on my car and that smoothed it out, but the V-power just seems to eat my wallet. Think I will be back to 98 ron and see how it runs. Petrol is fairly cheap here but V-power is just a bit o.t.t for my liking.... [/ QUOTE ] How much do you pay per litre for V-Power. Here it's currently €1,46. I have found my economy to be slightly better on 100RON, any increase will do me. I predominantly tend to use Jet 100RON @ €1,43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrastas Posted August 22, 2006 Report Share Posted August 22, 2006 Try Tesco 99 RON, I do ron ron ron, I do ron ron - it's a gas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Watson Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] V power is around 8% more expensive than Bp98ron. I don't feel any difference at all. I've just had 6338 done on my car and that smoothed it out, but the V-power just seems to eat my wallet. Think I will be back to 98 ron and see how it runs. Petrol is fairly cheap here but V-power is just a bit o.t.t for my liking.... [/ QUOTE ] How much do you pay per litre for V-Power. Here it's currently €1,46. I have found my economy to be slightly better on 100RON, any increase will do me. I predominantly tend to use Jet 100RON @ €1,43 [/ QUOTE ] Pay 1.19Euro = 1.89chf BP 98Ron is 1.12Euro = 1.78chf After 1/2 hour of maths thats around 6% more I think? It's cheap in comparison I know, but when you have payed under these prices for 5 years (prices are rising all the time) then 1.89 seems a bit crazy. It's also hard to tell how my car runs and how the economy is as I have a stop start journey of 3km to work at 50km/hr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFour Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] V power is around 8% more expensive than Bp98ron. I don't feel any difference at all. I've just had 6338 done on my car and that smoothed it out, but the V-power just seems to eat my wallet. Think I will be back to 98 ron and see how it runs. Petrol is fairly cheap here but V-power is just a bit o.t.t for my liking.... [/ QUOTE ] How much do you pay per litre for V-Power. Here it's currently €1,46. I have found my economy to be slightly better on 100RON, any increase will do me. I predominantly tend to use Jet 100RON @ €1,43 [/ QUOTE ] Pay 1.19Euro = 1.89chf BP 98Ron is 1.12Euro = 1.78chf After 1/2 hour of maths thats around 6% more I think? It's cheap in comparison I know, but when you have payed under these prices for 5 years (prices are rising all the time) then 1.89 seems a bit crazy. It's also hard to tell how my car runs and how the economy is as I have a stop start journey of 3km to work at 50km/hr. [/ QUOTE ] Filled up yesterday at €1,38 per litre. The price does tend to fluctuate from week to week. 5% in the last week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_d Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Try Tesco 99 RON, I do ron ron ron, I do ron ron - it's a gas... [/ QUOTE ] hehe I use Tesco 99 all the time now as I don't have a Shell or BP garage that close to me. I like it, seems to increase economy slightly, although I wouldn't like to say if there's any increase in performance. Cost for me is 98.9 p/litre, so it's cheaper than the alternatives. I would be interested in V-power tho, a 100RON fuel would be nice, although I do wonder if I'd be able to tell any increase in performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winrya Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 just had this mail from a mate "The information packs have now arrived and it says, V-Power is designed to provide higher levels of performance and responsiveness. V-Power is 99 RON Uses Friction Modification Technology - the same used by Ferrari F1 Increased levels of detergents for even cleaner engines. It is not a simply name change, V-Power has been developed to provide higher levels of performance and enhancements in responsiveness to give drivers a better driving experience. Shell works closely with Ferrari F1 to create better fuels for the road. Over the next few weeks, V-Power key-rings will be delivered to site to give to every customer buying V-Power. Sites should received a promo pack with posters etc, for site staff to install. Contractors will visit sites over the next 4 weeks to install bigger adverts like banners and polesign inserts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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