Megs Clay Bar

[ahaydock]

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[alexc]

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So just insert a step using a paint cleaner (i.e. like one you have recommended) between the 2nd wash and application of Zymol Cleaner Wax?

I do have some Auto Glym Super Resin Polish - is this any good?

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Autoglym Super Resin Polish is very good, with the advent of new brands it seemed to get overlooked but in fact it's still an excellent performer. Add a decent quality wax on top of it and you're all set!

[J_C]

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So just insert a step using a paint cleaner (i.e. like one you have recommended) between the 2nd wash and application of Zymol Cleaner Wax?

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Yes

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I do have some Auto Glym Super Resin Polish - is this any good?

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Yes, I find SRP is a great all round cleaner/sealant/polish even though I have dedicated products for each of these stages (including Zymol HD Cleanse). As Alex says, you can't really go wrong with it.

[ahaydock]

Ok, thanks guys. I will be using my Zymol Cleaner Wax as the wax. I know this isn't the same as the Zymol Carbon but surely it is better than some out there?

Is there truth in what Steelwind101 has said: "Zymol cleaner wax is acutally Turtle Wax.

Its what was called Extreme wax before they bought out the Nano with a different colour. "

Even if this is the case is it that bad?

[alexc]

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Ok, thanks guys. I will be using my Zymol Cleaner Wax as the wax. I know this isn't the same as the Zymol Carbon but surely it is better than some out there?

Is there truth in what Steelwind101 has said: "Zymol cleaner wax is acutally Turtle Wax.

Its what was called Extreme wax before they bought out the Nano with a different colour. "

Even if this is the case is it that bad?

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Give it a go and see how you get on.

[ahaydock]

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They Zymol cleaner wax is acutally Turtle Wax.

Its what was called Extreme wax before they bought out the Nano with a different colour.

Geoff

[/ QUOTE ]Is this ture? If so does that make it bad?

[lmmlmmam]

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They Zymol cleaner wax is acutally Turtle Wax.

Its what was called Extreme wax before they bought out the Nano with a different colour.

Geoff

[/ QUOTE ]Is this ture? If so does that make it bad?

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I'm sure it's probably OK, but definately not a top notch product.

If you're going to the trouble of doing a lot of prep then at this time of year I'd look to protect the results of your hard work with a really durable wax. Collinite & Duragloss both seem to be well thought off and are not expensive.

[J_C]

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If so does that make it bad?

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No, not necessarily - you can do better but you certainly won't do any harm by using it. IMO you will get better results using this after thorough prep than you will using a 'boutique' wax but skimping on the claying/cleaning.

Use it up and for added protection top it off with a coat of Collinite or similar (as CabMac suggests) for added protection. When the Zymol runs out let us know - you won't be short of suggestions as to what to buy next!

[steelwind101]

Your "Zurtle" wax should probably be bottled in Illinois. Also just look at the shape of the bottle, its a signature shape of the Turtle Wax products.

Its an OK product as an All in One cleaner protecter.

Take a look at some of the Einszett, the 1Z Glanz wax will look really nice on your blue paint work!!

If you want your paintwork to look good you need to do some prep if your using purer wax product like Collonite or Megs. # 16.

Geoff

[ahaydock]

Thanks for all the help guys! I think I will definitely invest in some better products in the New Year, but will probably use up what I have for the time being.

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If you want your paintwork to look good you need to do some prep if your using purer wax product like Collonite or Megs. # 16.

Geoff

[/ QUOTE ]What sort of prep are we talking about?

[steelwind101]

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I would got for the standard prep, if you choose to you use a clay bar or not i would go for a pure cleaner product. For example Meguiars DC Paint Cleaner. I prefer Pinnicle Paintwork Cleansing lotion but most of the brands have one.

Then a glaze, to give your paint a wet look and get some oils back in to your paint. Personally i like CG EZ-Glaze carwashnwax.co.uk or Red Machine Glaze (seriousperformance.co.uk). Both help with metalic pop too!!

If you intreasted in the Einszett then you can use there own polishes, they are very good by hand. They prep. the paint really well. Glanz wax is high in solvents and will melt any prep. beneth it. Its really great product.

Geoff

[ahaydock]

OK, thanks.

[Johnnyopolis]

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Ok, thanks guys. I will be using my Zymol Cleaner Wax as the wax. I know this isn't the same as the Zymol Carbon but surely it is better than some out there?

Is there truth in what Steelwind101 has said: "Zymol cleaner wax is acutally Turtle Wax.

Its what was called Extreme wax before they bought out the Nano with a different colour. "

Even if this is the case is it that bad?

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Im not too sure about what it was called before, but what I do know is that those zymol products will not be available in Halfords for much longer....

I have always wondered why Zymol products were in Halfords.... Didnt seem like the write place to me.....

Johnny

[ahaydock]

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I have always wondered why Zymol products were in Halfords.... Didnt seem like the write place to me.....

Johnny

[/ QUOTE ]Me too, but I bought them anyway

[ahaydock]

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Your "Zurtle" wax should probably be bottled in Illinois. Also just look at the shape of the bottle, its a signature shape of the Turtle Wax products.

[/ QUOTE ]Had a look today and it say is is Zymol UK, Lancashire!

[slimtim]

I've got a bottle of the Zymol (Halfords) cleaner wax here and really didn't get on with it. I found it hard work and very dusty.

To completely prep and seal on a mettalic car I would go:

Clay - Meguiars Quik Clay or Sonus Green

Polish/Cleanse - Klasse All In One / Carlack Systematic care

Seal - Klasse Sealant Glaze /Clarlack Long Life Sealant

The paint cleanser is fantastic and really deep cleans the paint whilst leaving behind a bit of acrylic protection.

The sealant a pure acrylic wax will give you more protection than any wax (well about the same as Collinite). You can layer and layer the sealant for added protection. It gives a wrapped in plastic look to the paint.

Then for extra depth and wetness you can top with a nice carnauba wax if you prefer the look. Even if the top layer of wax isn't very durable you still have the very durable foundation.

I did this Ford Focus ST170 a couple of weeks ago with the Clarlack Twins and was blown away with just how good it looked. It's definately the best finish I've achieved so far.

[ahaydock]

Thanks - Focus came up a treat!

[steelwind101]

Made in the same place as Klasses and Carlack is JEFFS WERKSTATT. Shipped from Germany to the USA and now back here.

Its quite good b/c it as its version of AIO. In fact 3, a standard version which is acylic great for colours like silver and other metalics.

Version 2 has nuba, all the benefits of Nuba in a polymer base. Take away the sterile look on red and other bright, solid colours.

Version 3 STRONG!! More cleaning and more protection (Acrylic).

Now Klasses Sealant has always been bitch unless you apply it thinly. The modern version from Jeff Werkstatt comes in a spray known as "trigger". Easy on easy off. They do a 'nuba trigger as well.

These are not top up products they are the real deal. If you want a quick detailer to add a little jazz between washes then you get "glos". Glos comes in a nuba and arylic to suit the rest of your set up.

All around a top package @ £46 you get either Acrylic or Nuba set up including the Prime, Trigger and Glos. A couple of Poorboys towels (two sided ones are prety good!!). A super thick MF towel and a german applicator.

It really adds an easier dimension to the Klasses-CarLack deal with a good modern dynamic hint. I got my mine first from the USA and now here you get the kit from

www.Polishedbliss.co.uk

They have Optimum Protectant Plus for just £3 as well!! If you making and order stick some of that in its a good interior dressing product!!

Geoff

[slimtim]

Hi Geoff,

Jeff Werkstatt is Carlack you are right they are the same products with differing amounts of distilled water to make them sprayable. The strong is no 'stronger' than AIO as far as I know. To make the trigger Werkstatt added distilled water, so in effect you are getting watered down Carlack/Klasse for your money. This is the same product essentially as Sonus Acrylic Glanz , with the Glos being the same as the Acrylic Spritz. These arn't top ups either they are the real deal. The only modern dynamic extra thing you are buying for your money is fancy packaging.

Have a look at http://www.carlackusa.com and see where that takes you.

The only one they have significantly changed and is produced in the US is the carnauba one.

The sealant is identical in terms of ease of application. The instructions are different but both wotk the same.

If applied correctly it is very easy to use. I reccomend you apply a small 5p size blob on a microfibre applicator, apply to the area and as it starts to haze buff off. If you do it like this it's a very easy product to use.

Carlack also certainly doesn't look sterile on solid colours, thats what they make you believe so you buy more product. I think it looks pretty good.

Cheers Tim

[steelwind101]

Hi Tim

Yeah i saw the ST170 on your website it looked pretty good. Im just not a fan of the sealant only on the plain colours, your right though it looks good!! I used the last of my Arylic Prime + Jett on a met. black 5 series and it was popping.

Now you have merged with car sparkle will you be offering the carlack window polish kit?? Its well worth adding to your stock.

Also, do you have any pics/info on carLack68 Plastic Care?? Im intreasted in knowing how it works since its avalible in 500ML.

Geoff

[ahaydock]

Waiting to get a new shelving unit for the garage, then I will sort through what I have already got and what I need, as I keep finding wax, shampoos etc I forgot I had! Came across an un-opened bottle of Auto Glym Extra Gloss Protection today what is this for? Would I apply this after say using the AG Super Resin Polish as a wax/sealant?

[steelwind101]

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Apply Extra Gloss Protection after AG Super Resin Polish.

Its a tradional all in one paint cleaner with protection with the advantage of having a long life sealant capable of going on top.

SRP has cleaning ability then Klasses all in one, atleast in its pre-voc capacity.

I always keep a healthy stock of Autoglym. There British, they make British jobs contribute to our economy. They also donate money and products to SO many good causes in the BRITAIN.

Its a quality set up if your in to that whole two step thing. If you dont have a wheel wax then you can apply these products to your wheels.

Geoff

[ahaydock]

Thanks, I am thinking that I will use my Zymol Shampoo to wash, then clay the car with the Megs, then use the AG Super Resin Polish, then use the AG Extra Gloss Protection. Sound about right? I also have Zymol Cleaner Wax, wonder whether I should use that between the SRP and the EGP - what do you think?

[steelwind101]

The SRP and the Zymol Cleaner Wax perform the same job. They both clean and protect the paintwork. However bonding of Extra Gloss (EGP) will only take place over the Super Resin Polish (SRP).

Doubling up on cleaner wax only removes the cleaner wax you had on before. Skip the Zymol stuff.

Geoff

[ahaydock]

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Doubling up on cleaner wax only removes the cleaner wax you had on before. Skip the Zymol stuff.

Geoff

[/ QUOTE ]Thanks, does that mean in theory if I were to do two coats of Zymol I would be back to square one? Or do you mean it will make doing the SRP a waste of time?